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Bruce Munro (ab1815)
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Username: ab1815
Post Number: 101
Registered: 01-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 13, 2003 - 10:26 am: | 
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Actually, the US and USSR forming a partnership is not necessarily an idea alien to Republicans: all that is needed is a sufficient number of democratic administrations...
So how could we get a US-USSR alliance? Probably need multiple POD's: say there is no Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and Detente continues. Islamic fundamnentalism, however, does better. After the use of atomic weapons smuggled from the Islamic republic of Pakistan against the US and the Soviet Union by the Hammer of God (in revenge for the defeat of the Iranian-Iraqui sh'ia union's effort to "liberate" Saudi Arabia), the US and USSR jointly occupy much of the middle east. Long-term agreements are made to coordinate efforts to reorder the middle east, and to also contain a much more threatening China (unreformed hard-line Maoist state: North Kore jumbo-sized with ballistic nuclear weapons)...
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Amerigo Vespucci (kirel)
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Username: kirel
Post Number: 195
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 13, 2003 - 06:48 am: |
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Hey, hey, let's not get a political flame war started here. In any event, Amazon has the omnibus edition for twenty dollars, US, and used ones from 7 dollars US. On a side note, why does Baen always have such tacky book covers? |
Walter Kenneth Willis (wkwillis)
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Username: wkwillis
Post Number: 900
Registered: 09-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 10:49 pm: |
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Pournelle's CoDominion started long before Stirling coauthored a book with him. Pournelle said he was once a communist, long ago (forty years plus), but it wore off quick and he's been a Republican ever since. Though considering all the things that Bush Jr. has done to the budget and the Constitution he may not be as Republican as he used to be.
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Eddie Guimont (apocalypse_when)
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Username: apocalypse_when
Post Number: 267
Registered: 09-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 03:54 am: |
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The only ones of these I've read are Mote in God's Eye, The Gripping Hand, and King David's Spaceship, which all take place much after the CD period. I want to find the early CD books, but I can't find them anywhere...
It's not really suprising that Pournelle suggested the US-USSR merger, as IIRC he's a pretty devout Communist. |
Christopher Lloyd-Morgan (kitjed23)
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Username: kitjed23
Post Number: 5
Registered: 08-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 01:06 am: |
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What was the name of the Codominium omnibus that was mentioned? I went onto Baen's website but I couldn't find it. |
Diamond (diamond)
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Username: diamond
Post Number: 682
Registered: 08-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 06:38 pm: |
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Yup, 'Mote in God's Eye' is kind of a forerunner to these, even though it actually takes place after.
1) Falkenberg's Legion, 1990, Pournelle
2) Prince of Mercenaries, 1989, Pournelle
3) Go Tell the Spartans, 1991, Pournelle & Stirling
4) Prince of Sparta, 1993, Pournelle & Stirling
These four are collected in a Baen omnibus edition titled, 'The Prince', and is billed as the 'Complete Saga of Falkenberg's Legion' (John C. Falkenberg, a CoDominium officer is the main character).
Plus various assorted short stories by both cropping up all over the place in the late 80s and early 90s.
The idea for these was Pournelle's, Stirling came in later, so I guess he's innocent of the US/USSR merger. Still guilty by association tho.
Pretty good so far, but as a hardcover its so damn heavy I feel like I'm lifting free weights every time I pick it up to read a little. |
Peter David Hall (peter_hall)
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Username: peter_hall
Post Number: 41
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 05:15 pm: |
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This first crop's up in "The Mote in God's Eye" by Pournelle and Larry Niven(?) (It's been about ten years since I last read it), in that book it really just forms part of the timeline at the beginning. I think one of them took the idea a bit further with some short stories about an interplanetary mercenary called Christian Falkenburg.
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Scott Blair (faeelin)
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Username: faeelin
Post Number: 1243
Registered: 08-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 03:21 pm: |
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WHAT?
Never heard of it, but STIRLING suggested a US USSR merger? |
Diamond (diamond)
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Username: diamond
Post Number: 680
Registered: 08-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 10:40 am: |
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By Jerry Pournelle and SM Stirling.
Anyone ever read these? A series of four books published in the mid-to-late 80s which had the US and USSR uniting into one gigantic nation at the end of the 90s, forming the Soviet-American CoDominium. All other nations on earth, unable to stand up against this juggernaut, become client states.
FTL travel is discovered by university researchers in California in 2004, and over the next century, several colony worlds spring up. The colonists are for the most part 'undesirables' and criminals sent by the dictatorial CoDominium government.
I just got all 4 books together in an omnibus edition from Baen; at a whopping 1100 pages, it'll take awhile to get through. (Especially since I'm still reading 'The Children's War', which is also around 1100 pages. ) |
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