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Kastytis Zubovas (legolas)
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Username: legolas
Post Number: 277
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 08:22 am: | 
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err... yes, that's just what I meant. They will be always over the same longitude as Lithuania is on... Sorry about that  |
Tom Mazanec (tom)
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Post Number: 390
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 07:18 am: |
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Legolas:
How do they always stay over Lithuania? For a space station, that would be a technology indistinguishable from magic! At best, they might orbit 22,300 miles over the equator and be over Lithuania's *hemisphere* (and also in the outer fringes of Earth's radiation belt).
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Kastytis Zubovas (legolas)
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Username: legolas
Post Number: 272
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 03:28 am: |
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Hmmm... the crews of the space stations in my Lithuanian Commonwealth TL are usually very open-minded and cooperative (as opposed to most of the military and parts of the government). Therefore they will soon accept the fact that the world has changed dramatically, and cooperate with the other space stations. However they will prefer keeping a close contact with their government (maybe they will adjust their movements so that they are always over some place in Lithuania). |
Scott Teel (boss_hoss)
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Username: boss_hoss
Post Number: 31
Registered: 09-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 06:13 pm: |
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Hmmm, interesting. I've looked through the archives for whats in orbit along with the "Tiger of Terra" for a story. I'll contact Antonio direct about his stuff, but what else is up there and how do they react to all these new radar blips and messages of panic just after the event?
(ToT will either not show or appear as a smaller blip, being stealthy)
So far, I've found refs to a possible L5 from the other Scott here, 2 stations with lasers in the 5-Kiloton range by Legolas, A British space elevator on Star Island by John Ryan, A Neu French tourist station from gbone and a few unmanned satellites here and there.
For any specific questions about the ToT or to story co-ordinate, feel free to contact me at bosshoss2(at)mail(dot)com (address munged for antispam) |
G. Bone (gbone)
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Username: gbone
Post Number: 207
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2003 - 10:19 pm: |
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ummm...how about this?
A Tibet that went wayward in the Chinese Civil War, it eventually became a religious state much like the Vatican is. However, this Tibet does have a standing army due to the threat that China poses. Technological level is about 1980's for land but the forces that Tibet has is specialized for combat in high elevation. Tibet does not have any capabilities of a functioning space program but it does have good listening posts that was used in their TL to drop on in Chinese movements. Much of their population is a mix between naturalized Tibetean citizens, Nepalese, and Indians(who came over to work due to Tibet being of a first world state). |
Tom Mazanec (tom)
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Username: tom
Post Number: 383
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2003 - 08:14 pm: |
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G. Bone:
I like the Tierra del Fuego idea, but not the Kazakhstan/Tibet one...we are not really supposed to have "exclaves" to our "timezones". I am sure someone can do those two...anyone want to take up the challenge? |
G. Bone (gbone)
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Post Number: 204
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2003 - 08:03 pm: |
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By Antonio's link to the map, I have observed that the Tierra del Fuego is unclaimed. Ergo, I claim it to be Falkland Territory.
Oh and I propose that Kazakhstan and Tibet shall be from the TL that the UK is from.
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Antonio Cabaņas (antonio)
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Post Number: 200
Registered: 08-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2003 - 09:31 am: |
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The maps of Europe and Asia had been modified (added Trojan Realm). I hope to add Africa and Oceania next week.
http://www.geocities.com/borg31de777/Mosaic-maps.htm
And to Gbone: for what I have read (and I have downloaded almost all the thread) Tibet and Kazakhstan aren't caught.
To Scott Teel: my e-mail address is borg31de777@yahoo.es (yes, I'm a fan of Star Trek). If you want to discuss about what we could do about your fleet e-mail me to the address above. |
Scott Teel (boss_hoss)
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Post Number: 21
Registered: 09-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 06:44 pm: |
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I've been working with Tom Mazanec on what kind of hardware is available to Brasil soldiers. He suggested posting the parts here as they are completed for feedback before they become part of his site. Here is part 1 for your perusal.
I still refer to them as tanks because its quicker than "Juggernaut". I promise the domestic tanks of Brasil are better than this lot. ;=)
Military Equipment available to Brasil; Foreign Juggernauts
First armored vehicle, Southern Avalon, 1951.
Wheeled steam tractor outfitted with boiler plate and firing loops during a revolt by work Aesop, mainly equines, who were being phased out by slaughterhouse or moved to even more grueling tasks, such as copper mining. The government was copying Brasil's work in tractors and seeing if they could remove the need for those hated slaves. (Cheaper to fuel than plow-aesop) Once the revolt was put down, the tractor was restored to working in the fields and mostly forgotten. Accounts may have led to armored cars for riot control.
First true tank;
St. Croix, 1981.
Inspired by trucks with added plate, (armored cars) created for riot control/police actions, which bogged down or overturned in rough ground.
During the threatened european crisis of 1980-2, All sides tried to figure out how to be menacing in saber-rattling while saving every soldier they could if war broke out. No need to give the Aesop any more lead in numbers than they already had.
With the expected ground considering the last human war many years before, fought with (to us, Napoleonic) tactics and mass-produced rifles. It was clear a truck would be useless when even horses had bogged down.
Gen. Leomund saw a crawler tractor being tested for pulling artillery. When he saw how well it performed in rough ground, He wondered if he could make an armored car of it. Several engineers were assigned, and soon they had a rough box mounted on a Schnieder tractor frame.
It could only move 5 mph, but since it would be protecting troops advancing behind it, that was considered adequate. Production was allowed, creating 500 in a year's time. After an Aesop near mutiny when forced to operate such a device, they were soon heavilly modified so that the engine was covered in it's own compartment for soundproofing and to better vent the exhaust away from Aesop crews. When first seen by Germans, Rumors of a French metal juggernaut spread, and gave the vehicle type it's name.
When war did not break out, they were relegated to police actions and mammal cleansing operations in the colonies with a fire fountain in place of cannon.
Armor is 1/4" bolted steel. Engine is a 6-cylinder 105 Hp. DuPre, left open to the crew compartment for frequent repairs.
Armament is 3-4 7.7mm machineguns and either a 70mm gun or a firefountain (flamethrower) mounted in a sponson.
A number of these Juggernauts were made available to Brasil in 1995 along with shipments of food and Aesops. A handful still remain in 2003, used as fixed antitank bunkers, or stripped of armament and used for artillery towing or vehicle recovery.
Second known tank; Wotan, 1983.
The Germans offered their answer to the St. Croix, which was cumbersome enough to need two six-cylinder engines for the same speed as a St. Croix. Basically a larger box on a Holt tractor crammed with every weapon they had room for. Its tendency to bog down in deep mud relgated the only 3 colonial models recieved to duty as fixed antitank bunkers, and were destroyed when the Avalon war broke out. Armed with a 5 inch gun and up to eight 8mm machine guns, one on a small turret on top.
Armor was 1/2" rivited steel.
As ineffective as it was, it did give the Brasil engineers ideas for their "breakthrough" heavy juggernaut, -besides the "how NOT to do it."
The remains of one still lies on the Brasil/Amazon border & may need to be removed as giving a false impression of Brasil tech.
Third known tank; Mk. I Palfrey cavalry juggernaut, 1983
Lagging behind, the British felt they needed a juggernaut too, and quickly. To save time, they basically put tracks on a Destrier Mk. 2 armored car with a turret. British hopes for a prompt replacement for horse cavalry to follow up on a breakthrough of enemy lines were perhaps a bit optimistic, considering the top speed of the Palfrey was 10mph.
Armor was .24" (under 1/4") rivited steel. Engine is a 4-cylinder 55 Hp. Whippet. Armament was a turret mounted 35mm gun and a water cooled .35 machine gun, or two machine guns, one replacing the cannon.
Both Destriers and Palfreys were provided in quantity to Brasil. Aesop crews liked them for their relatively quiet operation.
The machine guns were later replaced with the new Brasil 14mm heavy machine gun shortly before war broke out. (equal to .50 BMG in OTL)
First Avalon tank; Type 1 Redemptionist, 1995
Avalon designers looked southward at an enemy poised to make a cheese grater of their border. They had trialed a number of foreign juggernauts, sometimes in harrassment raids on Brasil, and realized they needed a type intended for crossing wide trenches. What they enthusiastically came up with was something similar to OTL WWI british tanks at the end of the war. -Somehow managing to reach 10 mph despite being prone to breakdowns.
Armor was 1/4" to 3/4" bolted steel in different locations. Engine is a 6-cylinder 100hp O'Leary. Armament is a bow-mounted 75mm howitzer. In side sponsons- two .30 machine guns, or hand-cranked Rattlers (5-barrel Gatlings) during part shortages. The hand operated turret has one 20mm cannon.
Unfortunately for Brasil, what they lacked in quality, they made up for in quantity -much like their trench warfare human wave tactics. Because they are so prone to breakdown, some had been captured and used for static defense bunkers or secondary defense battalions.
Second Avalon tank; Type 2 St. Joan light juggernaut, 1996
Originally a French design for police actions and cleansing, the version trialed was armed with a fire fountain. They liked this so much, they produced an updated domestic version with this as it's usual main armament. Due to it's thin armor and usual Avalon production standards, it lives up to it's name far too often. Some units strip off the fire fountain and feed the fuel tanks to the engine instead, becoming long range scouts or poison smoke layers at a speed of 12mph.
Armor is .24" bolted steel. Engine is a 4-cylinder 55mph Stratton.
Armament is a Dante fire fountain with two 30 gallon tanks of fuel, - having a range of 50 yards, and one .30 machine gun.
Because of it's range, there are some captured scouts on the transferred section of Brasil.
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Peter David Hall (peter_hall)
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Username: peter_hall
Post Number: 157
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 05:47 pm: |
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I've been thinking. It might be an idea to try and put the descriptions of all the nations of Mosaic Earth into either one thread that Ian can lock off and maybe stick at the top of the ASB page or onto a seperate website. It'd be a lot easier for reference work. |
G. Bone (gbone)
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Username: gbone
Post Number: 192
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 12:20 pm: |
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oops...sorry about that...i meant GBW's thread...
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Tom Mazanec (tom)
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Post Number: 364
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 12:16 pm: |
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G. Bone:
I had a story where Brasil comes to the brink of war with the Amazon Commonwealth but pulls back...is that what you meant?
Or were you referring to GBW's (IIRC) thread? |
G. Bone (gbone)
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Username: gbone
Post Number: 190
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 12:11 pm: |
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To GBW: just curious...when are you going to resurrect your Antartican War thread?
News Item from the PKH:
>The PKH has now been recently reformed as the "Commonwealth of Hawaii" due key legistlation being agreed on to include the stranded representatives from the "lost" nations.
heh....not reading the previous posts...
(Message edited by g.bone on September 30, 2003) |
Tom Mazanec (tom)
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Post Number: 363
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 09:42 am: |
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Columbia timeline trivia:
The Old Farmer's Almanac was the only American periodical to publish uninterrupted after World War III. The 1963 edition had already been printed and distributed, and the 1964 edition was distributed several months late, mostly restricted to the New England area, in a shortened format.
Aesop timeline trivia:
The president of Avalon cannot run for re-election while in office (the Founding Elders figured he should concentrate on governing, not campaigning). So a successful party will see the President and Vice President switch places each six years. |
Peter David Hall (peter_hall)
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Post Number: 155
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 04:49 am: |
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Scott: The should be here, right at the bottom of the page:
http://www.alternatehistory.net/discus/messages/40/2981.html?1053705213
And this story is set there:
http://www.alternatehistory.net/discus/messages/5/3251.html?1062139815
As to how the RFK's CBG will be recieved by the countries of North America? Well IIRC most of the western half of the former USA is occupied by ... the USA. It's a rather USA than OTL's, WW2 started in 1938 and was fought between NAZI Germany and an alliance of Britain, France and Fascist Italy, Stalin was killed in 1949 and under Beria and his successors the Soviet Union has become a modern democratic state, so there was no Cold War. All this means that Fascism and Communism aren't seen as the "bogey men" of the western world. The USA is the predominant power in IOTL but instead of suddenly filling a vacuum created by WW2 it grew into the role over several decades. Again IIRC social attitudes are closer to the 50's, though I don't know how this relates to matters of race and colour.
Further east Texas and the South are controlled by CSA-1, a Confedaracy from an ATL similar to OTL. CSA-1 is a democratic nation with close ties to Britain and France, withwhom it was allied during WW2. It was also a major player in the Cold War and the War on Terrorism. In terms of social attitudes it's roughly equivilent to early 70's America.
There is also a smaller CSA-2 around the Virginia region. It's a hardline theocracy (or very close to one).
The other North American countries include the Empire of Klondike (huge, much of northern Canada), the Hudson's Bay Company (Hudson's Bay, duh), the (New) Hanseatic League (German North East America) and the Empire of Wisconson.
EDIT:
Looking at the map of MENA I've rather badly misremembered things.
First: There's no Empire of Wisconsin.
Second: The USA is somewhat smaller than I remembered as I had forgotten about the Holy Republic of Deseret.
Third: CSA-1 is smaller than I recalled as CSA-2 is larger. CSA-2 includes Florida and Louisania, territory that I'd thought belonged to CSA-1.
Fourth: The Klondike Empire (not EoK) does cover most of northern Canada, but the Hudson's Bay Company is a large band of territory directly to the south of the Empire not to the east as I'd thought.
Fifth: The Hanseatic League is in the Maritines not New England, which is in fact the province of another forgotten country; The League of American States, which extends into the north eastern Mid West.
I'd also better mention the Chinese enclave of Fung Su on Vancouver Island.
(Message edited by peter_hall on September 30, 2003) |
Scott Teel (boss_hoss)
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Post Number: 20
Registered: 09-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 01:45 am: |
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(Re; Antonio) Still havent found UKI yet, but the crews are more than a little nonplussed as to the balkanized N. America. (as reported by their eye in the sky)
Any offers of a harbor while they sort things out will be considered.
I wonder what some of the replies from N. America would be, re; Battlegroup RFK? ...Especially since the ship's captain is Afro-American...
The trawler crew is being held incommunicado.
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Scott Teel (boss_hoss)
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Post Number: 19
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 01:05 am: |
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More BG; Carrier Battlegroup RFK.
The "Bobbie", typical of Supercarriers from it's ATL is a little larger than supercarriers from OTL. -Necessary to comfortably catch any space planes/fighters in need of a friendly runway.
Exact stats will be as soon as I can look up OTL similar.
Point defense is 6 laser turrets and 2 PHALANX guns.
In general, it has a full compliment of F-14H Super Tomcats (rebuilt with ATL-current avionics and a railgun), F-17 Wasp strike fighters, Vampire stealth bombers (doubles as air refuller like the Intruder). A number of V-23 Albatross tiltrotors have replaced the Orion turboprop and Sea Knight chopper. The Hawkeye still soldiers on with improved radar and laser designation pods.
Several Sea Cobras and V-22 Ospreys also support the Marine contingent on board, whuch include 2 five-man heavy support teams using 10' tall "Goliath" power armor.
(think "Appleseed" Manga)
The 2nd Gulf Coalition war was this ATLs first with open use of power armor.
Small arms will be described later, but are usually 5mm flechette or 7.62NATO for use against Soviet body armor.
Included in the battlegroup are;
one WWII-era cruiser, the Austin (Updated like the battleship Missouri in OTL Gulf War, with a bit more speed for its lack of armor.)
Several missle cruisers, destroyers, one ((Marine transport)), one mine sweeper, one oiler, one munition ship, Two subs, one Dallas class, one Seawolf.
...And a Russian "Trawler" with a terrified crew.
In Orbit;
USASF (US AeroSpace Force) Long Range shuttle-10D Vyper, named "Tiger of Terra"
One laser/microwave commsat.
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G. Bone (gbone)
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Post Number: 188
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| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 01:13 pm: |
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To Antonio: just curious- is kazahkstan and OTL's Tibet not taken? |
Antonio Cabaņas (antonio)
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Post Number: 198
Registered: 08-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 09:58 am: |
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I have added the map of Asia (need some changes, that I hope to implement in a few days).
http://www.geocities.com/borg31de777/Mosaic-maps.htm
(Message edited by Antonio on September 29, 2003) |
josquius (josquius)
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Post Number: 704
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| | Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 12:53 am: |
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This is Mosaic Timelines EARTH not mosaic timelines galaxy.
If it does stretch to include space I dib Mars  |
Straha (fireblade)
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Post Number: 374
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| | Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 06:28 pm: |
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On the moon of mosaic earth I put a gold statue of a reptilian humanoid of some type |
Scott Teel (boss_hoss)
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Post Number: 12
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| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 07:15 pm: |
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(Re; Antonio) Interesting thought... Let me check the archives. |
Antonio Cabaņas (antonio)
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Post Number: 197
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| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:43 am: |
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To Scott Teel: I think that would be a good idea, but if you want to place them near Azores and Canarias, and as I'm currrently writing a story set in the United Kingdoms of Iberia (Azores and Canarias are part of the UKI), can I use them? At least as more lumber to the fire that is going to become soon the UKI (a good deal of the military top brass of the UKI is a paranoid, ultra-conservative bunch that believe that they are the last, best hope for the country).
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G. Bone (gbone)
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Post Number: 183
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| | Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 06:18 pm: |
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Yeah... that was my belief...
thanks to GBW that's all cleared now
Welcome to the thread Scott Teel! |
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