I regret to tell you, my BB force commander reports 37 prematures & 12 duds in the last eight hours.
Really, if I was the BB force commander, I wouldn't want to talk about his officers' shore leave performance like that.
IJN Carrier attack on Hawaii - January 1942. Wargame for thread in progress.
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Really, if I was the BB force commander, I wouldn't want to talk about his officers' shore leave performance like that.
Really, if I was the BB force commander, I wouldn't want to talk about his officers' shore leave performance like that.
Damn that had me laughing.
But in all truthfullness it us a shame that the IJN torpedoes had such a fiasco with that production batch.
It does say something about the Marines ashore, tho.
So the IJN and the Marines violate non fraternizing rules?! Or us it just that a make love not war movement imploded for lack of Viagra?
They've been at sea a long time.zert said:
Thank you. *bows in mutual respect*zert said:Phx as much as I have ribbed and taunted your side, you have played out your forces most excellently. I am an admitted pro US fan, but you sir have my respect and admiration. (tips hat)
Let me extend the same offer I extended Dilvish before: a duel of games, at your convenience.
(Presuming we can find a GM.)
It gets away from being fun & starts being real work, IMO.
I understand that, hence why I was saying it was impractical. I just brought up the idea because it's one of those impractical things that's cool to think about.
Now, I am up for any practical wargame that might be settled upon.
Really, if I was the BB force commander, I wouldn't want to talk about his officers' shore leave performance like that.
That... is hilarious.
Regret to inform the USS Lexington has been sunk.
Two large scale IJN formations flew in from the north. Like before, the first was tracked on radar and was seen to miss the American warships. The second strikes, F4, D8, T3 (72 aircraft) found the Lexington group and overwelmed the ship with hits.
Losses were light - only 5 Vals to anti-aircraft.
Two large scale IJN formations flew in from the north. Like before, the first was tracked on radar and was seen to miss the American warships. The second strikes, F4, D8, T3 (72 aircraft) found the Lexington group and overwelmed the ship with hits.
Losses were light - only 5 Vals to anti-aircraft.
Oh crap. I'm thinking we'll be seeing a Pacific-first strategy in TTL, since the U.S. Navy has been pretty much destroyed in the Pacific.
USS Lexington's final attack went after the transport groups, then recovered to Midway under fire because Lexington was too far away. 10 SBD's were destroyed on landing, but a total of 1 tanker (underway) and 4 AP's (at anchor) were sunk by 36 dive bombers. Lexington's TBD's splashed near the TF, having been sent aloft with warning of the incoming strike.
The damage to the invasion force seems sufficient to cause the invasion to abort.
I think we can call the game at this point. I assume Mike's 2 cruisers will boogie ASAP to the south. Kevin's carriers are on their last day of operations due to fuel.
The damage to the invasion force seems sufficient to cause the invasion to abort.
I think we can call the game at this point. I assume Mike's 2 cruisers will boogie ASAP to the south. Kevin's carriers are on their last day of operations due to fuel.
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Total US losses were -
3 carriers (30 VP)
2 cruisers (8 VP)
1 tanker (2 VP)
7 oil tank points (7 VP)
350 aircraft either destroyed or shot up beyond game timeframe repair (6 VP). Of those 350, 65 were operational (went down with ship, splashed, shelled at Midway, etc).
Total IJN VP is 53 points.
3 carriers (30 VP)
2 cruisers (8 VP)
1 tanker (2 VP)
7 oil tank points (7 VP)
350 aircraft either destroyed or shot up beyond game timeframe repair (6 VP). Of those 350, 65 were operational (went down with ship, splashed, shelled at Midway, etc).
Total IJN VP is 53 points.
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Total IJN losses were -
1 CVS sunk (4 VP)
1 CS sunk (3 VP)
1 Tanker sunk (2 VP)
8 hits on AP's (4 VP)
Soryu 1 torpedo hit (1 VP)
Akagi 1 flotation hit (1 VP)
Kaga 3 flotation hits (3 VP)
Defeated in land Battle of Midway (10 VP)
265 aircraft lost (13 VP)
Total US points - 41 VP
Midway was saved (to invade, the Japanese player had to have at least half his AP's sit on Midway for 6 turns. With 8 hits on AP's, this was not possible).
1 CVS sunk (4 VP)
1 CS sunk (3 VP)
1 Tanker sunk (2 VP)
8 hits on AP's (4 VP)
Soryu 1 torpedo hit (1 VP)
Akagi 1 flotation hit (1 VP)
Kaga 3 flotation hits (3 VP)
Defeated in land Battle of Midway (10 VP)
265 aircraft lost (13 VP)
Total US points - 41 VP
Midway was saved (to invade, the Japanese player had to have at least half his AP's sit on Midway for 6 turns. With 8 hits on AP's, this was not possible).
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I think so. Theoretically we could play out whether Kevin can catch the last two US cruisers, but with Lexington sunk and the invasion defeated, the game seems past the point of continuing. I'm sending Mike the IJN player file so he can see the IJN sheet.
IJN status after the game -
1st Carrier Division - Capacity 33 squadrons. Remaining aboard 8 squadrons.
Akagi - OOC for at least 3 months.
Kaga - OOC for 8-10 months.
2nd CAR DIV - capacity 28 squadrons. Remaining aboard 11 squadrons.
Soryu - OOC for at least 3 months.
5th CAR DIV - capacity 34 squadrons. Aboard 21 squadrons. Status - operational.
4th CAR DIV - capacity 14. Aboard 8. Operational.
Total IJN fuel points aboard tankers were 9000. Total refuelling during the game for the IJN was 4,826 points.
Kido Butai had 75 torpedoes left out of about 280 to start.
1st Carrier Division - Capacity 33 squadrons. Remaining aboard 8 squadrons.
Akagi - OOC for at least 3 months.
Kaga - OOC for 8-10 months.
2nd CAR DIV - capacity 28 squadrons. Remaining aboard 11 squadrons.
Soryu - OOC for at least 3 months.
5th CAR DIV - capacity 34 squadrons. Aboard 21 squadrons. Status - operational.
4th CAR DIV - capacity 14. Aboard 8. Operational.
Total IJN fuel points aboard tankers were 9000. Total refuelling during the game for the IJN was 4,826 points.
Kido Butai had 75 torpedoes left out of about 280 to start.
So some months ago, I asked what would happen if the Japanese returned for a second Pearl Harbor Raid. I don't think I could have possibly predicted the outcome. This is the wildest dream of anyone who's posted "WI..." on this website. A massive simulation of the exact scenario, with a lot of fascinating discussion. Thank you, Glen239, phx1138 and Dilvish. It's been incredible.
While I don't think my original WI can be regarded as definitively "answered", I think the next logical question can only be...
WI Japan launches a 3rd Pearl Harbor Raid?!?!
While I don't think my original WI can be regarded as definitively "answered", I think the next logical question can only be...
WI Japan launches a 3rd Pearl Harbor Raid?!?!
I'm pleased it came out so well.
I am, however, regretting I didn't manage to take Midway. In retrospect, either keeping Akagi & Kaga nearby, or striking Lex again at first contact, would have been better options. Also better, as already said, would have been using the heavies against Oahu instead of air. (They were detailed off separately because I had concerns they were too slow, but given Kaga & Akagi were as slow, that wouldn't have been a problem...)
If Dilvish wants to finish with a night action between cruisers, just for interest's sake, I'd be happy to oblige. I've been hoping to get one from the time of my first attack on his CVs, but he keeps ducking me. (I also had too many cruisers escorting my TF tanker force; one would have been plenty.)
And, as said, putting all my subs in one place would have had better results.
IMO, I made one other crucial mistake: not placing a tanker force between Oahu & Midway, for fuelling en route. As a result, I lost at least a couple of turns having to divert for fuelling, enough it may've cost me a shot at Lex in the dark.
Finally, let me repeat what I said to Glenn: I disagree, in this context, intel would be decisive. IMO, this game reflects the importance of recce, the same way OTL Midway did. Knowing the enemy is coming, as I presume Dilvish did, still doesn't mean he knows where I am, or what I intend. He still has to find me, & me, him. That's something Nimitz did at Midway, because he had PBYs & used them well (& got some luck), & Nagumo couldn't, because Yamamoto's dispostions screwed him. (That lesson I took to heart. I also got a bit of luck.)
I am, however, regretting I didn't manage to take Midway.
In retrospect, either keeping Akagi & Kaga nearby, or striking Lex again at first contact, would have been better options. Also better, as already said, would have been using the heavies against Oahu instead of air. (They were detailed off separately because I had concerns they were too slow, but given Kaga & Akagi were as slow, that wouldn't have been a problem...)If Dilvish wants to finish with a night action between cruisers, just for interest's sake, I'd be happy to oblige.
I've been hoping to get one from the time of my first attack on his CVs, but he keeps ducking me. (I also had too many cruisers escorting my TF tanker force; one would have been plenty.)And, as said, putting all my subs in one place would have had better results.
IMO, I made one other crucial mistake: not placing a tanker force between Oahu & Midway, for fuelling en route. As a result, I lost at least a couple of turns having to divert for fuelling, enough it may've cost me a shot at Lex in the dark.
Finally, let me repeat what I said to Glenn: I disagree, in this context, intel would be decisive. IMO, this game reflects the importance of recce, the same way OTL Midway did. Knowing the enemy is coming, as I presume Dilvish did,
still doesn't mean he knows where I am, or what I intend. He still has to find me, & me, him. That's something Nimitz did at Midway, because he had PBYs & used them well (& got some luck), & Nagumo couldn't, because Yamamoto's dispostions screwed him. (That lesson I took to heart. I also got a bit of luck.)
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So long and thanks for all the fish.
Well damn guys. It turned out as I thought it might at the end but for me, this has been a blast. A somewhat close one. If tge USN had been able to get the Kaga and Akagi early, plus better results of defending the carriers might have tilted the balance.
If I had been the US player I think I would have kept all my carriers close as well as try to combine any attacks against the IJN with Pearl's planes. With the IJN I might have cleared out Midway first and waited for the US to try to catch me before I landed at Midway. But this is all Monday morning quarterbacking.
Thanks to the players, the gamemaster, as well my fellow commentators. You did a kick ass job and you have my admiration and respect. Should anyone put on a new game, count me in as one who will read and follow.
Well damn guys. It turned out as I thought it might at the end but for me, this has been a blast. A somewhat close one. If tge USN had been able to get the Kaga and Akagi early, plus better results of defending the carriers might have tilted the balance.
If I had been the US player I think I would have kept all my carriers close as well as try to combine any attacks against the IJN with Pearl's planes. With the IJN I might have cleared out Midway first and waited for the US to try to catch me before I landed at Midway. But this is all Monday morning quarterbacking.
Thanks to the players, the gamemaster, as well my fellow commentators. You did a kick ass job and you have my admiration and respect. Should anyone put on a new game, count me in as one who will read and follow.
So somebody want so summarize TTL's Battle of Oahu and Battle of Midway so we can create a timeline either in this thread or elsewhere to discuss the effects?