Our Soviet Union (USSR)
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I would encourage option B the regime change of Poland-Lithuania.
However I'm not against helping the White Russians and Ukrainians, leaving them alone and vulnerable to the Far-right and anti-Socialist Government might come back to haunt us, so they must be given some aid to at least defend themselves long enough for us to aid them if a situation develops.
Honestly this is a tough one to decide on.
I would go for option B to be on the safe side without pissing off China too much.
Edit: If the votes for A is somehow close then I will change my vote to A for the free land grab.
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A) Fascism is a dangerous ideology of reactionism & imperialism and must be confronted as soon as it appears. While I agree with my comrades that the Polish & Lithuanian workers are as deserving of liberation as any other worker, the heroic resistance of the White Russian & Ukrainian populace presents the most imediate avenue of confronting the fascist threat.
C) I confess myself somewhat torn between the practical reality that a buffer to limit our border with China is within our interest, and the idealistic belief that the Mongolian people are as entitled to self-determination as we ourselves. I hereby recommend the support of a neutral Mongolian nation state as it represents the best possible reconciliation between these two points.
B & A. But to be honest, I consider Europe way way more important then the Americas. (Especially with hindsight).
Speaking about the Americas and Europe for that matter, where do you get the money to support them? Given the post Russian Civil War USSR was rebuilding, spending any money, focus and other resources outside the USSR is a waste, aside from military observers and industrial spies. Concurrently maybe some enticing key minds in the areas we need, or if enticing doesn't work blackmail. Similar for trade deals, ideally some big factories for anything going from simple cannery, to machinery, machine tools themselves, rolling stock, cars tractors & trucks etc etc. All are leagues more important to put resources in then foreign adventures. So perhaps even 1C is fine, though I can't really see any leader of the USSR get away with not trying to get the territory lost in WW1 back.
I consider Mongolia an exception, because it costs nothing to incorporate them and then leave until later.
Speaking about the Americas and Europe for that matter, where do you get the money to support them? Given the post Russian Civil War USSR was rebuilding, spending any money, focus and other resources outside the USSR is a waste, aside from military observers and industrial spies. Concurrently maybe some enticing key minds in the areas we need, or if enticing doesn't work blackmail. Similar for trade deals, ideally some big factories for anything going from simple cannery, to machinery, machine tools themselves, rolling stock, cars tractors & trucks etc etc. All are leagues more important to put resources in then foreign adventures. So perhaps even 1C is fine, though I can't really see any leader of the USSR get away with not trying to get the territory lost in WW1 back.
I consider Mongolia an exception, because it costs nothing to incorporate them and then leave until later.
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I agree with @22000 Kevin, B is a good choice but we should support White Russian & Ukrainian populace in Poland-Lithuania in espionage, of course it would mostly limited small arms and explosives. Guiding the Mongolian SSR would be a better option but I would've preferred them being neutral would help counter Chinese ambitions in Central Asia and the Far East.
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I agree with @22000 Kevin, B is a good choice but we should support White Russian & Ukrainian populace in Poland-Lithuania in espionage, of course it would mostly limited small arms and explosives. Guiding the Mongolian SSR would be a better option but I would've preferred them being neutral would help counter Chinese ambitions in Central Asia and the Far East.
True Mongolia is a free grab as it is allready so depending, at the same time while sending resources to Central America is tricky, not much are needed, as the local groups can arm and supply themselves, partially also with aid of other anti-American and anti-Colonial gorups, what is needed however is organisation and coordination of them, were we can help.
East Poland with White Russia and Ukrainian ethnic minorities is more complicated, but anti-Polish sentiment is high, we can most easiest support them across our nearby border from the Byelorussian SSR and Ukrainian SSR by fellow ethnic White Russians and Ukrainians, who TTL are also Socialist Orthodos in opposition to the Polish Roman Catholics, not forced atheists under Stalin and the USSR.
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Fellow members of the Union I think we did the right choice waiting it out till the age of right wing reactionaries has arisen, both cause it gave us time to develop as well as make it so our future ''liberations'' look justified as well as accepted by other nations. I suggest though focusing on the Russian and Ukrainian people inside Poland though given the future goals we have.
On the topic of Mongolia I will say, judging by how the USSR own experience went with Tuva and Mongolia as well as the classic ''settler cycle'' it's best we just accept a Mongolia that is a ally that worst case we can always gift to China. By that if we do absorb it we not only increase the disputes with China but will try and use the area, build it for it's resources ect meaning we need to secure it more and in turn will tempted to push it again.
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Fellow members of the Union I think we did the right choice waiting it out till the age of right wing reactionaries has arisen, both cause it gave us time to develop as well as make it so our future ''liberations'' look justified as well as accepted by other nations. I suggest though focusing on the Russian and Ukrainian people inside Poland though given the future goals we have.
On the topic of Mongolia I will say, judging by how the USSR own experience went with Tuva and Mongolia as well as the classic ''settler cycle'' it's best we just accept a Mongolia that is a ally that worst case we can always gift to China. By that if we do absorb it we not only increase the disputes with China but will try and use the area, build it for it's resources ect meaning we need to secure it more and in turn will tempted to push it again.
I'm a bit torn by Mongolia, I feel like we should just gradually annex it in the next few decades, similar to what happened to Tanna Tuva in OTL.
But I'm reluctant to cause long term diplomatic issues with China. If the vote for option A somehow gets close to succeeding then I'll change by B vote to A.
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Makes sense, the USSR probably has some people to spare and we have outdated WW1 weapons, including the stuff the west left behind. But after thinking more about it, I think we need almost all people able to organise stuff at home, organising logistics, construction, etc etc or indeed working in key countries stealing industrial plans, etc etc. I think in fact I'd rather support them with selling them our WW1 stock very cheaply but nothing more.
So how about using the '26 coup in Poland to go for round 2 (of the Interwar period). A coup can be used as a cause belli to "protect" our countrymen in these uncertain times.
And for the Baltics: OTL had a nationalist coup in Lithuania in '26, Estonia had a failed coup in '24, Latvia in '34. All of them can be accelerated and made successful for the social Democrats, which leads to easier agreements with ITTL USSR which isn't as unacceptable as OTLs. Or just go completely Soviet.
Surely we could spare a fe men and clearly the Polich coup could be a opportunity in Polish White Russia and Polish Ukraine alike.
Well yes, you can spare perhaps a few men, but given we have to:
- find the coup plans and act fast enough (the coup took only 3 days);
- do the baltics too;
- spy on the military, political, research and economical situation in:
- Germany;
- France;
- UK;
- USA;
- Japan;
- China;
- Finland;
- Sweden;
- Iran;
- Turkey.
- then industrial espionage;
- then get material to get the best trade deals;
- add Latin America / Caribbean America (maximum 33 countries)
East Poland would have to take some priority clearly until the situation is solved and also it and Lithuania could be combined with any Baltic operations overall.