Then what were Fort Pillow, the Nueces Massacre, the Kingston Hangings? If suspending Habeas Corpus was dictatorial, what about what Davis did in East Tennessee and Richmond? What about the Confederate first resort to whiffs of grapeshot? What about Davis's policy of summary execution for USCT officers and enslavement of enlisted men? The only Union war crime was the order by General Ewing to expel the inhabitants of several counties.
Want me to bring up union war crimes? Want me to bring up the union gulags? Do i need to bring up sherman and the march to the sea? St. Louis Massacre?The Federal decree that forced twenty thousand Missouri civilians into exile?
Women and children, black and white, were robbed, brutalized, and left homeless in Sherman's infamous raid through Georgia. Torture and rape were not uncommon. In South Carolina, homes, farms, churches, and whole towns disappeared in flames. Civilians received no mercy at the hands of the Union invaders. Earrings were ripped from bleeding ears, graves were robbed, and towns were pillaged. Wherever Federal troops encountered Southern Blacks, whether free or slave, they were robbed, brutalized, belittled, kidnapped, threatened, tortured, and sometimes raped or killed by their blue-clad "liberators."
By which you mean the viewpoint which takes the Confederates at their word that their society was one whose cornerstone was "the great moral truth that the black man is inferior to the white man, that slavery is his natural and ordained station?".
Ah typical tactic. You go for morality huh. So what about this nice little quote from the tyrant?
“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything"
Just as racist as the one you quoted from. Dont kid yourself. Everyone was racist back then.
You were taught the actual facts. Secession *was* bad. There were no fair referenda on the matter. There was no case where the Northern government did half of what the Confederate one did as a matter of course. *I* was taught that Northern armies were barbarian hordes akin to the fascists in WWII.
Yes,yes,yes. Go suck on the federal governemnts all powerful teat. We have a right to secede.
"If there be any among us who would wish to disolve this union..let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerate where reason is left free to combat it"-Thomas jefferson
"If any state in the union will declare that it prefers seperation with the first alternative,to a continuance in union without it,I have no hesitation in saying 'let us seperate'.-Thomas jefferson
"A Union of the states containing such an ingredient seemed to provide for its own destruction.The use of force against a state,would look more like a declaration of war,than an infliction of punishment,and would probably be considered by the part attacked as a dissolution by which it might be bound-James maddison on an ammenment to allow the centeral government to invade a break away state
Of course it is. I am a Southerner like the Calcasieu Jayhawkers, General George Thomas, and Admiral Farragut. Not like the cowardly and treacherous Planter class that started the war but screamed tyranny if asked to do even a little to *fight* it
What a coincidence. Im as 'southern' as the bushwhackers and General Lee.
That half the states in the 1780s were willing to abolish slavery and recruit blacks from the first to win their war, while the South was unable to take even the bare minimum of sacrifices required to win its. Too, the Confederate government was mostly an inefficient and stupid evil that frankly deserved to lose. It fucked up a defensive war over a region the size of the European part of the old Soviet Union. That in itself makes them stupid enough that the loss was well-deserved
Yes if you totally ignore military tactics back then. They would have been bled dry by northern manpower and industry. If it was a war of attrition the southern generals knew they would lose...which was the whole reason for the way the course of the war went. They wanted to knock the union out of the war early or at least win enough battles for european intervention.
Yes, the fire-eaters certainly considered defending their liberty to buy and sell other human beings a more laudable cause than that of the Founders. The Confederate Vice-President even said that Thomas Jefferson was wrong.
They considered it their right and they had the right to consider it so. You look at things through your modern rose-tinted glass's. Slavery as a institution has been around since the dawn of time and will always be around. Its around today and will be long after we are gone.The founders rebelled because of a tea tax and stamp tax. Kibbels and bits compared to the southern cause.
The cause of the Founders was ultimately justified because they won. The South could not hack a defensive war across a region the size of European Russia even with guerrilla warfare and enough advantages at the time that victory was more likely than not. The war was the Confederacy's to lose, and by God it did so so embarrassingly that Lost Causers are more annoying than the innumerable Axis-Wankers. At least there is *some* basis for the idea that the Axis could win.
So might makes right with you then? It would have been right if the CSA won? I wonder if me and you were british because the founders lost the war would you still have this attitude"oh those lousy evil colonists!"
It wanted it, just not bad enough to suffer Habeas Corpus suspended in the havens of States-Righters like Stephens, Brown, Vance, and Wigfall. Nor did the Confederacy want to actually try guerrilla warfare after the fact, bar the remnants of Quantrill's horde of savage murderers. Nor did the Confederacy ever remotely pause to consider whether or not it was *wise* to keep attacking the much bigger, more populous, more wealthy Federal armies and what that would do in the long term. The CSA was not even willing to raise armies of slaves to keep the Yankees out of Richmond in the last days of the Petersburg Siege. The Confederates weren't merely evil, they were Stupid Evil, the worst of all kinds.
Yes if all else fails paint them evil. You cant argue against their cause so you call them evil and stupid. I have met many southerners and none are like you. Im going to go ahead and guess politically you are left on the spectrum. It will all make sense if thats the case. The love of the centralized government and all.
But thanks for pointing this out. They held off and i quote "much bigger, more populous, more wealthy Federal armies" for four long years and actually was winning for half the war.