I always saw the British Hanover as a part of Germany accidentally stuck to Britain, district and not as a part of it. The more you know
An interesting butterfly and a nice touch in an already excellent TL.Been finding some interesting stuff while researching the sort of subtle things that would be influenced by an absence of the Nazis, so here is a small aside on fashion to tie you over to the next chapter:
Did you guys know that Hitler had a big influence on the German and greater European fashion movement?
In the 30's, German fashion designers were becoming hugely successful, with many Parisian designers coming to Berlin and there being some fear in France of Berlin taking their top slot. When Hitler came to power, this ended, since most of the major companies and brands were Jewish-owned or run.
Hitler made his own ministry for fashion, the Modeamt, which focused on promoting more traditional clothing for woman, and trying to minimise the use of pants and cosmetics which he felt detracted from their natural beauty.
As for men, the effects on fashion were smaller, but nevertheless did have an impact on beards. Fascism aimed at a clean, youthful, modern look, while facial hair was seen as being more connected to the Kaiserreich and the moustaches and beards of Franz Ferdinand, Wilhelm II, and Tsar Nicholas.
Without Hitler, I see a lot of the early 30's styles staying and developing in less dramatic ways, partly because of the Depression. I see a lot of women keeping the 20's looks, but them becoming more toned-down and daywear-appropriate compared to the excess of the 20's. Short hair will remain "in", as well as the slimmer forms and broader shoulders which Hitler opposed because they were not conducive to his push for women to pump out kids.
Fascist Italy likewise put a lot of effort into reshaping the image of the Italian citizen, with emphasis on Italian designs for men and women, with the latter being very modest and traditional. Expect many Italian designers to be as likely to flee to Berlin as to Paris. Especially with the lingering, if slightly diminished gay scene of "Babylon Berlin", fluidity in fashion will birth many new styles in the 30's.
Here are some (AI-generated) examples of alternate mid-late 1930's fashions:
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The ironic thing is that I'm very far from being a monarchist. The most I'd tolerate a monarch is as a completely powerless figured whose job it is to embody and protect the culture and history of a nation. My ideal post-1918 Germany would be a Socialist-Democratic Germany which pursues territorial expansion without war and which only gets involved in defensive or interventionist wars. That's why I write the SPD so sympathetically, as has been pointed out, despite me finding them (especially today) to be quite spineless.But Action Française has drifted far too right, I follow the Nouvelle Action Royaliste. Plus, as a kaiser I expect you to make monarchy to win
Yup, it is all AI. And thanks, I feel that the details like film, art, fashion, literature make a world feel far more real than facts or anecdotes.An interesting butterfly and a nice touch in an already excellent TL.
The model is very attractive, is she AI as well?
I agree, small touches like this make a TL seem more real, fuller.Yup, it is all AI. And thanks, I feel that the details like film, art, fashion, literature make a world feel far more real than facts or anecdotes.
Ironic indeed, though more ironic is that I am a Monarcho-SocialistThe ironic thing is that I'm very far from being a monarchist. The most I'd tolerate a monarch is as a completely powerless figured whose job it is to embody and protect the culture and history of a nation. My ideal post-1918 Germany would be a Socialist-Democratic Germany which pursues territorial expansion without war and which only gets involved in defensive or interventionist wars. That's why I write the SPD so sympathetically, as has been pointed out, despite me finding them (especially today) to be quite spineless.
And that is what makes such a great writer, I have been trying to write a few plays, but I have lots of trouble with writing non-monarchist characters.But I also don't need to politically align with a concept or character to write it. I have lots of fun writing von Lettow-Vorbeck, just as I do with Adenauer, Maurras, and Stalin
So how exactly would your ideal system--let's say for France--work? How much power would the monarch have? Where do the powers and influence of nobility reach those of the working class?Ironic indeed, though more ironic is that I am a Monarcho-Socialist
What helps for me is trying to get into the heads pace and understand the motivations. Everyone is a hero in their own mind and everyone sees their ideology as "the right one". There are very few viewpoints which can't be, if not empathised with, at least understood on a clinical level, and the major exceptions are the truly crazy ones (like Himmler and his weird paganism) which I also find tricky to write. I usually pretend it is a fantasy novel where this is actually real since otherwise I just feel ickyAnd that is what makes such a great writer, I have been trying to write a few plays, but I have lots of trouble with writing non-monarchist characters.
... These almost look like Reichswehr uniforms. If the military-industrial complex keeps collaborating with the fashion industry, the line between officers' formal wear and runway outfits may start getting very blurry.
Well a lot of the Reichswehr stuff was indeed made by lead designers like Hugo Boss.... These almost look like Reichswehr uniforms. If the military-industrial complex keeps collaborating with the fashion industry, the line between officers' formal wear and runway outfits may start getting very blurry.
Ten bucks on female fighter pilots in Round 2 - the Luftwaffe will want to set itself apart from the "traditional" branches, and with somebody more progressive than Das Fatass in charge, Reitsch and others could easily find themselves doing more than just errand runs.Also relevant is that the Nazi oppression of women and the associated backslide in many women's rights which followed WW2 won't happen. German women in the 1920's were some of, if not the most emancipated in the world, and that won't change. After all, why waste half your population, especially if your ideological opponent is using women? We definitely won't be waiting until the likes of Merkel to see a major female leader in Germany
I definitely think that if not L-V himself at least his circle would balk at the idea of women doing "men things", but I do agree that without the sheer cultural oppression of the Nazis that basically killed Weimar culture the feminist movement is not going away anytime soon.Also relevant is that the Nazi oppression of women and the associated backslide in many women's rights which followed WW2 won't happen. German women in the 1920's were some of, if not the most emancipated in the world, and that won't change. After all, why waste half your population, especially if your ideological opponent is using women? We definitely won't be waiting until the likes of Merkel to see a major female leader in Germany
It'll be cool if the next leader after L-V is a female politician just to emphasize the differences between the different regimes.Well a lot of the Reichswehr stuff was indeed made by lead designers like Hugo Boss.
Not only will this German army burn your fields and slay your troops, they will slay you with style.
Also relevant is that the Nazi oppression of women and the associated backslide in many women's rights which followed WW2 won't happen. German women in the 1920's were some of, if not the most emancipated in the world, and that won't change. After all, why waste half your population, especially if your ideological opponent is using women? We definitely won't be waiting until the likes of Merkel to see a major female leader in Germany
"Das Fatass" made me laugh way harder than it should have.Ten bucks on female fighter pilots in Round 2 - the Luftwaffe will want to set itself apart from the "traditional" branches, and with somebody more progressive than Das Fatass in charge, Reitsch and others could easily find themselves doing more than just errand runs.
I would not hold your breath for female German soldiers marching on Paris in 1945, but definitely less of a top-down push for women to stay home and pop out babies. A true major feminist movement won't kick off yet, but German women definitely have a very good chance of getting the sort of rights by 1950 which, in our world, they didn't get till like the 80's or 90's.I definitely think that if not L-V himself at least his circle would balk at the idea of women doing "men things", but I do agree that without the sheer cultural oppression of the Nazis that basically killed Weimar culture the feminist movement is not going away anytime soon.
So I am writing a speech just on this, trying to grow my local monarchist society so I have some ideas.So how exactly would your ideal system--let's say for France--work? How much power would the monarch have? Where do the powers and influence of nobility reach those of the working class?
Yes, best not to pretend to be a war criminal.What helps for me is trying to get into the heads pace and understand the motivations. Everyone is a hero in their own mind and everyone sees their ideology as "the right one". There are very few viewpoints which can't be, if not empathised with, at least understood on a clinical level, and the major exceptions are the truly crazy ones (like Himmler and his weird paganism) which I also find tricky to write. I usually pretend it is a fantasy novel where this is actually real since otherwise I just feel icky
The Virgin “write ideological wish-fulfillment timelines” vs the Chad “write what you find interesting even if it doesn’t align with your views timelines”.The ironic thing is that I'm very far from being a monarchist. The most I'd tolerate a monarch is as a completely powerless figured whose job it is to embody and protect the culture and history of a nation. My ideal post-1918 Germany would be a Socialist-Democratic Germany which pursues territorial expansion without war and which only gets involved in defensive or interventionist wars. That's why I write the SPD so sympathetically, as has been pointed out, despite me finding them (especially today) to be quite spineless.
But I also don't need to politically align with a concept or character to write it. I have lots of fun writing von Lettow-Vorbeck, just as I do with Adenauer, Maurras, and Stalin
Oh heck yay, I would love to see that.Ten bucks on female fighter pilots in Round 2 - the Luftwaffe will want to set itself apart from the "traditional" branches, and with somebody more progressive than Das Fatass in charge, Reitsch and others could easily find themselves doing more than just errand runs.
German version of the Night Witches when?Ten bucks on female fighter pilots in Round 2 - the Luftwaffe will want to set itself apart from the "traditional" branches, and with somebody more progressive than Das Fatass in charge, Reitsch and others could easily find themselves doing more than just errand runs.
And on that note, the Hays Code is going to be a blessing for the German film industry, with how we might even see a reverse of what happened IOTL when the Nazis took over.I have another film update planned for 37 or 38 (still quite a few chapters away) which will include a focus on one of the most interesting women from this era--Leni Riefenstahl, and how the lack of ties to the Nazis allows her to flourish as the truly brilliant film director which she was. I intend for her to be considered one of the greatest directors of the 20th century, if not THE greatest.
(For those who don't know, Leni Riefenstahl was the director of Triumph of the Will, the seminal Nazi propoganda film, considered one of the greatest pieces of filmed propoganda ever made. She invented tons of new techniques for it, including most famously having an elevator installed in an empty field before a Nazi rally and then rising in it during the rally, beginning with focus on singular men and slowly showing the enormous scale of the movement
She played with direction, focus, and light to create a very unqiue perspective.)
Historical plausibility > Wish fullfillmentThe Virgin “write ideological wish-fulfillment timelines” vs the Chad “write what you find interesting even if it doesn’t align with your views timelines”.
Historical plausibility > Wish fullfillment
And TLs which focus on mixing historical plausibility and "what you find interesting" are far more interesting to read than naked wish-fulfillment TLs.