Alternate Battle of Poland 1914

How will this 'battle of Poland' end?

  • Germany and Austria-Hungary occupy Poland, negotiations follow, resulting in peace.

    Votes: 19 14.0%
  • Germany and Austria-Hungary occupy Poland, Russia refuses peace, Britain remains neutral.

    Votes: 45 33.1%
  • Germany and Austria-Hungary occupy Poland, Russia refuses peace, Britain begins naval blockade.

    Votes: 51 37.5%
  • Stalemate along the Narew, Vistula and San rivers.

    Votes: 7 5.1%
  • Russia occupies East Prussia and/or all of Galicia.

    Votes: 14 10.3%

  • Total voters
    136
First Army :
Kluck
He was already head of the respective army inspectorate embracing II., V., VI. Corps with their resp. reserve Coprst thereby the majority of said army. He 'knew' them as well as their commanders.

Second Army :
Prittwitz (unfortunalty ? ... depends on his staff ...)
Following the above 'logic' with 2 of his inspectorates Corps intop this Army (XVII. and XX. Corps) soemwhat expectable. He also should be expected to be sufficiently informed about the terrain and conditions he would meet.

Third Army :
Hausen
Similar to OTL with the 3 saxon Corps (XII., XII. Reserve, XIX Coprs) as its main parts it has to/should be comandeered by a saxon.
The confederational constitution of the Realm that also prevailed in the military demanded the respective King to rule 'his' army as his contribution to the common cause (the Realm). But Friedrich II. of Saxony passed this duty on to his former Minister of War.

The other 'Kings' aka their respective heirs Duke Albrecht and Crown Prince Ruprecht would ITTL stay in the west with their respective bavarian and württembergian bodies of troops.

Fourth Army :
... somehwat tricky ... IMHO depends on what is decided upon the prussian Crown Prince to take a command : west - as IOTL - or east.
As said IOTL the choice of army commanders had also to serve some interstately political purposes. In this logic there should be an army to be commanded by a member of the prussian monarchy - the Crown Prince - as well.
And ... wouldn't it be just ... appropriate:
the prussian Crown Prince 'defending' Königsberg the city of coronation of the prussian kings?​
If not and the Crown prince is sent to hold 'The Watch on the Rhine' instead I would expect Heeringen to take command as the responible army inspector of the Guards Corps.

Thanks for the suggestions!

I made a graph for the German army order of battle. I have largely based these on the 'Deployment Directives 1912', but also reinforced the west with a few extra army corps (I choose Guards, Guards-Reserve and IX-Reserve), because the chance of a French invasion is estimated to be greater in 1914 than in 1912. The composition of the armies of Rupprecht and Heeringen is taken from OTL. I think this is a plausible order of battle. The 1st and 2nd armies are the only ones with an offensive task.

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Von der Goltz is taken out of retirement to become High Commander of the western armies, while Moltke himself will command the eastern armies.

The Cavalry Corps operate independently, as in OTL, and are deployed for reconnaissance as necessary. The 1st and 2nd Cavalry Corps cross the Russian border to monitor Russian troop movements. The 3rd Cavalry Corps is deployed along the French border in Lorraine and the 4th Corps moves into Luxembourg.

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Sorry for the silence on my part, I was on a skiing holiday in the Italian Alps last week, including 'The Great War Ski Tour'. Beautiful area with interesting history, can recommend it to anyone!

In this TL, all those horrible battles over a few mountain peaks won't happen, because Italy will (most likely) remain neutral, as Austria with more German support is much stronger and Britain is (probably) not actively involved in the war.
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A neutral Italy would free upp the 5.e AH army (who held the Isonzo front OTL). And it would leve the french navy alone to handel the KuK navy.

It would also be intresting to se how the war in the colonies develop if Britten stays neutral. (Altough it's likely not import strategically)
I doubt the first part. Cause I believe that it would be foolish on the side of the Italians not to mobilise or at least partially mobilise as reaction to German, French and Austrian mobilisation.
We must also consider that Italy has Revanchist claims on AH but also on FRANCE, so they might as well declare for the CP against the Entente in this case, especially cause of the Alliance set is so advantageous without Britain.
So why not take a little bit of Corsica, make Nice an Italian city and .... yeah to be fair i don't know what else Italy claimed at that time, just that it was a truck load of claims.

Also we must always remember, they were a part of the Triple Alliance and no one knew at the time how .... many road blocks the Italian Army would drop on their own feet in WW 1.
It would also break trust in the word of the Italian state as a respectable great power (a little one but a great one nonetheless) in the circle of GPs if they just drop the Triple Alliance. (If Germany wins they wouldn't be cool with the Italians)

But yeah neutrality would also not be unexpected I believe they had relatively good trade relations with Britain (didn't most of their coal come from GB? Just remember it of a different time line on this side).
 
The battle begins!
The battle begins!

It is the 1st of August 1914, Germany has just declared war on Russia, because Russia has refused to cancel its mobilization. Von Moltke immediately puts deployment plan “Aufmarsch II Ost” into effect. As a result, France also starts mobilizing. Joffre insists on attacking Germany as soon as possible, simultaneously with Russia, because that offers the only chance for a quick victory. However, the French government first wants to be assured of British support. After much deliberation, the British government is finally prepared to give the French a 'blank cheque'. Britain will honor the naval agreement and protect the French Channel coast by declaring the Channel and Southern North Sea a 'neutral zone', i.e. a demilitarized zone under the protection of the 'neutral' Royal Navy. The BEF is emphatically not sent to France and the British also demand that Belgian neutrality must be respected. The French government is satisfied with this and declares war on Germany on 12 August. That same day, the first French troops enter southern Alsace, whereupon Germany invades Luxembourg to prevent the French from doing so. Two days later, Joffre launches a major offensive in Lorraine.

In the meantime, the fighting in the east has been limited to a few skirmishes between German and Russian reconnaissance troops. Germany has also taken some border towns, such as Kalisz and Mlawa. In East Prussia, the 1st and 2nd Armies are preparing an offensive against the Narew line, when suddenly the Russian 1st Army led by Rennenkampf invades East Prussia on 15 August. With this, Russia fulfills the military agreement with France. The German 1st Corps commanded by von François counter-attacks at Stallupönen, but has to withdraw. When Rennenkampf orders a rest on 20 August, the 4th Army led by the Crown Prince seizes the opportunity to attack the Russian 1st Army, resulting in the Battle of Gumbinnen. Because the 1st Corps attacks too early, this attempt to defeat the Russians fails and the 4th Army retreats behind the Angerapp. On 23 August, Rennenkampf attacks this line at Darkehmen. Now the Saxon (3rd) Army commanded by von Hausen comes to the aid of the Crown Prince by attacking the Russian flank from the south and cutting off the supply lines. In the ensuing Battle of Darkehmen, the Russian 1st Army is almost completely destroyed. With only a few divisions, Rennenkampf manages to escape to Kovno.

Encouraged by Rennenkampf's initial success, Samsonov invades East Prussia from the south with his 2nd Army on 21 August. Based on intercepted unencrypted radio messages, von Moltke knows when and where the Russians will attack and has ordered the 1st and 2nd Armies to withdraw into the woods to prepare a trap. Unaware of the strength of the German presence, Samsonov's army marches straight into the arms of the 1st army led by von Kluck. In the battle that follows, later named after the nearby hamlet of 'Tannenberg', the Russian 2nd army is also almost completely destroyed, after which Samsonov commits suicide on 31 August. The remnants of his army retreat behind the Narew line.

After these victories, there is great joy among the German army command, but they are also amazed. The Russian attacks seem poorly organized, were the Russians not aware of the strength of the German armies in East Prussia? The lack of supplies, the unmotivated and hungry soldiers, the unencrypted radio messages, the lack of coordination… Is this the feared Russian army? And why did only two armies attack? Von Prittwitz's 2nd army hardly needed any action! Where are the other Russian armies? However, the answer to that last question will come soon…

Two strong Russian armies are advancing in eastern Galicia. The 3rd k.u.k. army cannot compete against this superior force and has to retreat towards the fortress of Przemysl. This creates a dangerous situation for the 1st and 4th k.u.k. armies, which have already invaded Russian Poland. Von Moltke is shocked by this news and panics; when the k.u.k. armies collapse, nothing stands in the way for the Russians to invade Silesia and pushing on towards Berlin! To prevent this disaster, he decides to immediately send the 3rd army to Silesia, reinforced with two additional army corps from the 2nd army. After all, the danger has passed in East Prussia for the time being. Von Moltke also orders the 1st and 2nd armies to go on the offensive as quickly as possible, in order to bind as many Russian troops as possible, so that they cannot be deployed in Galicia.

On 4 September, von Kluck's 1st Army begins the Narew offensive, also known as 'the battle of the Narew'. Von Kluck concentrates on the obsolete fortresses of Pultusk and Ostroleka in order to bypass the more modern fortresses of Rozan and Lomza. Meanwhile, the 2nd Army makes several attempts to take Osowiec Fortress, but the surrounding marshes make this fortress impregnable. The Russian 9th Army led by Lechitsky, consisting largely of poorly trained reserve divisions, tries to hold out behind the Narew as long as possible. However, it cannot compete with the superior numbers and firepower of the Germans and retreats behind the Bug. The remnants of the Russian 2nd Army also retreat, until they set up a new defense at Zambrow. The German 1st Army is now losing strength, as it has marched more than 100 km away from the railheads of Mlawa and Ortelsburg in just in 10 days. New supplies must be brought in by horses over dirt roads and improvised bridges. This ends the offensive on 14 September.

In Galicia, the 1st, 3rd and 4th k.u.k. armies have retreated behind the San with heavy losses, but are able to hold that line. The 2nd k.u.k. army was rushed north from Serbia, but arrived too late, it can do no more than defend the mountain passes in the Carpathians. The war has now lasted almost 7 weeks and the 'Battle of Poland' is still undecided. The break is being used by the belligerents to prepare for round two... Meanwhile, in the west, the French invasion fails hopelessly. After suffering heavy losses in the Battle of Lorraine, the French retreat across the border. This turns the western front into a stalemate.

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Detail map of Przemyśl Fortress, famous for the Siege of Przemyśl. Since the artillery was largely outdated, it had a range of only 8 km.

In OTL, the Russian 3rd Army began the siege on 16 September 1914, for which it received three additional reserve corps. On 24 September, the attack began from the north and south, with the Russians losing 40,000 men in 3 days, without making any progress. The encirclement was not complete until 26 September. In the meantime, the 1st k.u.k. Army had to retreat further west, due to pressure from the Russian 4th and 9th armies. As a result, the 3rd and 4th k.u.k. armies were also unable to maintain themselves behind the San and retreated to the west as well. This put Przemyśl completely behind the front line.

In TTL, the Russian 9th Army and other reserve corps will be much needed against the German armies in the north. This will probably allow the k.u.k. armies to maintain themselves behind the San and prevent the encirclement of Przemyśl. Although the Russians will undoubtedly launch a futile attack...

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The battle continues
The battle continues

On 13 September, the German 3rd Army led by von Hausen, consisting of the three Saxon army corps, the IV and IV-R Corps and four cavalry divisions from the west, begins its almost unopposed advance towards the Vistula River. As they advance, they improve the roads and bridges so they could support heavy artillery and adjust the rails to the narrower European gauge (The Vienna-Warsaw line is already European gauge). The Saxons reach the Vistula on 24 September, meeting fierce resistance from the Russian 5th Army defending the bridgehead of Ivangorod. It takes a few days for the first artillery to arrive, after which the siege of Ivangorod begins. Meanwhile, von Armin's IV Corps continues to march north until it is 12 km from Warsaw.

Further south, the Austro-Hungarian armies are recovering from their heavy defeats in Galicia. The Russian 3rd Army does attack Przemyśl Fortress, but this attack is successfully repelled. All Russian reserves are sent to the Northwest Front to prevent a further German advance. This leaves the Russian 4th Army alone behind the long front along the Vistula and San rivers, roughly from Ivangorod to Przemyśl. On 28 September, Austria-Hungary is ready to launch a counter-offensive. During this San Offensive, the 1st and 4th armies are able to cross the San at various places. Soon a gap opens between the Russian 3rd and 4th armies which is further exploited. Further north, the Silesian Landwehr Corps "Woyrsch" is able to cross the Vistula. The Russians then retreat to the east. On 10 October, Lemberg is liberated after heavy fighting, after which the front stabilizes on 13 October along the Bug and Gnila Lipa rivers.

Also on 28 September, von Kluck launches the Bug Offensive. After a few days, the important Warsaw-Bialystok railway line is reached and destroyed. In response, the Russian army command orders to abandon Warsaw, after which von Armin's IV Corps marches into the city on 5 October. Meanwhile, von Hausen has also crossed the Vistula south of Ivangorod, after which this fortress falls on 2 October. The Russian 5th and 9th armies retreat to Brest-Litovsk, pursued by the German 3rd and 1st armies respectively. On 15 October, the Germans reach this fortress, bringing the offensive to an end. The Russians have now lost all of Poland, which is a serious blow to Russian morale.

Only the fortress of Novogeorgievsk is still bravely holding out. This last Russian stronghold in Poland has been under siege since 10 October. The Germans are bringing the 'Big Bertha' howitzers into action here for the first time. After heavy shelling, two of the outer fortresses are captured. With no prospect of relief and the vulnerability of the inner fortresses to heavy shells, the Russian garrison surrenders on 20 October.

As the Russian army retreated, the Chief of the General Staff Nikolai Yanushkevich, supported by Grand Duke Nicholas, ordered the army to apply a scorched-earth policy. During the retreat, the Russian troops destroyed anything that might be of use to their enemy, including crops, factories and railways, and set fire to hundreds of Polish villages. They also deported huge numbers of people into the Russian interior, mainly the 'enemy nations' Jews and Germans.

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Wow, is the Tsar going to double down or ask for a cease fire to discuss terms, an operation this size should be making the news, imagine the PR potential for the Central Powers. Also this capture of Poland means an earlier Kingdom of Poland? Nice maps as always.
 
The battle continues

On 13 September, the German 3rd Army led by von Hausen, consisting of the three Saxon army corps, the IV and IV-R Corps and four cavalry divisions from the west, begins its almost unopposed advance towards the Vistula River. As they advance, they improve the roads and bridges so they could support heavy artillery and adjust the rails to the narrower European gauge (The Vienna-Warsaw line is already European gauge). The Saxons reach the Vistula on 24 September, meeting fierce resistance from the Russian 5th Army defending the bridgehead of Ivangorod. It takes a few days for the first artillery to arrive, after which the siege of Ivangorod begins. Meanwhile, von Armin's IV Corps continues to march north until it is 12 km from Warsaw.

Further south, the Austro-Hungarian armies are recovering from their heavy defeats in Galicia. The Russian 3rd Army does attack Przemyśl Fortress, but this attack is successfully repelled. All Russian reserves are sent to the Northwest Front to prevent a further German advance. This leaves the Russian 4th Army alone behind the long front along the Vistula and San rivers, roughly from Ivangorod to Przemyśl. On 28 September, Austria-Hungary is ready to launch a counter-offensive. During this San Offensive, the 1st and 4th armies are able to cross the San at various places. Soon a gap opens between the Russian 3rd and 4th armies which is further exploited. Further north, the Silesian Landwehr Corps "Woyrsch" is able to cross the Vistula. The Russians then retreat to the east. On 10 October, Lemberg is liberated after heavy fighting, after which the front stabilizes on 13 October along the Bug and Gnila Lipa rivers.

Also on 28 September, von Kluck launches the Bug Offensive. After a few days, the important Warsaw-Bialystok railway line is reached and destroyed. In response, the Russian army command orders to abandon Warsaw, after which von Armin's IV Corps marches into the city on 5 October. Meanwhile, von Hausen has also crossed the Vistula south of Ivangorod, after which this fortress falls on 2 October. The Russian 5th and 9th armies retreat to Brest-Litovsk, pursued by the German 3rd and 1st armies respectively. On 15 October, the Germans reach this fortress, bringing the offensive to an end. The Russians have now lost all of Poland, which is a serious blow to Russian morale.

Only the fortress of Novogeorgievsk is still bravely holding out. This last Russian stronghold in Poland has been under siege since 10 October. The Germans are bringing the 'Big Bertha' howitzers into action here for the first time. After heavy shelling, two of the outer fortresses are captured. With no prospect of relief and the vulnerability of the inner fortresses to heavy shells, the Russian garrison surrenders on 20 October.

As the Russian army retreated, the Chief of the General Staff Nikolai Yanushkevich, supported by Grand Duke Nicholas, ordered the army to apply a scorched-earth policy. During the retreat, the Russian troops destroyed anything that might be of use to their enemy, including crops, factories and railways, and set fire to hundreds of Polish villages. They also deported huge numbers of people into the Russian interior, mainly the 'enemy nations' Jews and Germans.

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Is Bukovina occupied by Russia here?
 
Wow, is the Tsar going to double down or ask for a cease fire to discuss terms, an operation this size should be making the news, imagine the PR potential for the Central Powers. Also this capture of Poland means an earlier Kingdom of Poland? Nice maps as always.
There will certainly be a negotiation phase. But does the Tsar want peace when it has to give up Poland? That's the big question... Russia is far from defeated, so maybe not.
 
There will certainly be a negotiation phase. But does the Tsar want peace when it has to give up Poland? That's the big question... Russia is far from defeated, so maybe not.
Well with Poland in Austro-German hands shouldn't Romania be interested in seizing Moldova? And yeah I doubt the Russians are going to call it quits with just Poland occupied, the next German target would probably be Lithuania and Courland I think, so a northward offensive during spring or summer 1915? Also would the Kaiserliche MArine be bold enough to try to seize the Alland Islands and the Estonian islands?
 
Well with Poland in Austro-German hands shouldn't Romania be interested in seizing Moldova? And yeah I doubt the Russians are going to call it quits with just Poland occupied, the next German target would probably be Lithuania and Courland I think, so a northward offensive during spring or summer 1915? Also would the Kaiserliche MArine be bold enough to try to seize the Alland Islands and the Estonian islands?
Yes, that is indeed what I have in mind.

With a neutral Royal Navy and the French Navy in the Mediterranean (where it must conduct the 'Otranto Barrage' alone), Germany will be able to deploy the High Seas Fleet for the most part in the Baltic. The capture of the islands of Ösel, Dagö and Åland can certainly be a possibility, as long as Germany does not wait too long. In 1915 Russia built artillery batteries on these islands as part of 'Peter the Great's Naval Fortress' and minefields are also a major problem. The Battle of the Gulf of Riga therefore failed in August 1915 in OTL.
 
Yes, that is indeed what I have in mind.

With a neutral Royal Navy and the French Navy in the Mediterranean (where it must conduct the 'Otranto Barrage' alone), Germany will be able to deploy the High Seas Fleet for the most part in the Baltic. The capture of the islands of Ösel, Dagö and Åland can certainly be a possibility, as long as Germany does not wait too long. In 1915 Russia built artillery batteries on these islands as part of 'Peter the Great's Naval Fortress' and minefields are also a major problem. The Battle of the Gulf of Riga therefore failed in August 1915 in OTL.
Could be a gigantic train wreck or the moment of glory for the German imperial marines, as I think the Heer wouldn't want to spend their resources in taking islands for the Navy, 1 or 2 Marine Divisions should be enough to capture and hold it.
 
A marine division was formed OTL and deployed to Belgium, Here they can still show up but need time to train the Seewehr and replace their old equipment. Also how's Kamarun doing? Germany isn't blockaded so they can still go there and supply he colony, maybe even some small scale operation in French Equatorial Africa.
 
A marine division was formed OTL and deployed to Belgium, Here they can still show up but need time to train the Seewehr and replace their old equipment. Also how's Kamarun doing? Germany isn't blockaded so they can still go there and supply he colony, maybe even some small scale operation in French Equatorial Africa.
Well, the battle for the colonies is rather peripheral and irrelevant to victory, so more than a few ships will not be sent there. Togoland will soon be taken by the French, but the battle for Kamerun may last longer and may even spill over to Equatorial Africa, indeed.
 
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