Different Oregon Timeline

This TL isn't complete, let me know what you think.

Historical Time line of the Great Compromise:

Background
In the 1840’s the United States began to see its westward movement as part of its Manifest Destiny. James Polk rode this particular emotion to victory in the 1844 election, using the slogan “54-40 or Fightâ€, referring to the boundaries of the Oregon Territory between Canada (GB) and the US.

However, as events began to unfold, nature and commerce proved to be bigger determinants than the military.

1842: The US recognizes the Sovereignty of the Hawaiian Kingdom and moves to establish greater trade concessions on the heels of American missionary and commercial developments.

1843: Britain Briefly takes Hawaii over, later recognizes its independence.

1843: British Force Involvement N.W. India; Annexation of Sinde

1843: British Involvement Gwailor Campaign in Central India

1844: Textile manufacture in GB accounts for approximately 48% of all employment.

1845: Polk Inaugurated Elected, tensions rise in the Pacific Northwest.

1845-46: British Involvement; First Sikh War in Punjab

1845-47: British Involvement; First Maori War in New Zealand

1845: Tensions rise with Mexico over the appropriate Texas Border

1845: Irish Potato Famine, (also affects Europe)

1846: California Republic Declared.

1846-47: British Involvement: Second Kaffir War in South Africa

1846: Embargo of Trade Threatened by England. US Manufacturers don’t care but the Southern cotton producers do. The issue becomes bogged down in Congress.

Late 1846: Embargo declared by England. Over night thousands lose their employment in both GB and US.

Nov 1846: Parliament in turmoil, government almost falls, Lord Russell promises to find a solution.

Jan 1847: Great Compromise Proposed. Terms are to be:
1. Oregon ceded to US in its entirety
2. Hawaii becomes British protectorate
3. US border with Mexico resolved in favor of US, Mexico’s rights to disputed area sold to US for $4 million
4. California Independence upheld, plebiscite on annexation into US to be held in 1850
5. GB granted limited 99 year lease of Vancouver Island
6. GB to serve as guarantor of Mexico’s independence and integrity.

1847: Large scale Irish and European immigration to the US and Mexico.

1847: British textile industry begins to develop other sources for cotton, plantations are established in both India and Egypt.

1848-49: British Involvement: Second Sikh War in Punjab

1848: The “Cotton Crash†occurs when British textile manufacturers begin to utilize other sources of cotton. Price of American cotton plummets.

1848: Several Southern Senators turn to the Federal government for aid, which isn’t given as Northern Manufacturers stall any attempt to prop up the price of cotton.

1848: Gold discovered in California.

1848: Great Uprisings across Europe, upon their failure increased immigration to the US

1848-49: The Cotton Crash Continues. Thousands of small farmers and merchants are driven out of business. The federal government opens free land in the territories, and migration to the West picks up.

1849: The Cotton Rebellion: the militia in several southern states, most notably South Carolina and Georgia, seize certain federal assets in an attempt to force the federal government to aid the cotton producers. The rebellion is roughly put down by Lt. Colonel R.E. Lee

1850: The California Plebiscite is held and California joins the Union.

1850-53: British Involvement: Third Kaffir War in South Africa
1851: Manumission Act of 1851: Passed by Congress, officially frees all slaves who are abandoned by their owners. This Federal law provided that freed slaves had the right to petition for return to Africa, or to petition for apportionment of previous owner’s property.

1852-53: British Involvement, Second Burma War

1853: New Homestead Act of 1853, all Free Men are permitted to stake 160 acres of land in the West. Thousands move west.

1853-63: First War of the American Plains. A series of Wars intended to ‘pacify’ native tribes. These ended with the defeat of the Sioux by General R.E. Lee.

1854-56: British Involvement in Crimean War

1854-60: American Railroads push west and east, link in Utah. American Railroads contract with the British for thousands of Asian Indians to assist in the building. By 1860, California has a population of 350 thousand, of whom 50 thousand are Asian Indians.

1856-58: Indian Mutiny, thousands of Indians flee India and settle in the American West.

1857: Manumission Act of 1857: Passed by Congress, this act permitted freed men to purchase their wives and children from slaveholders at rates established by the Government. In the first year some 150 thousand women and children are bought free.
 
Not sure why thousands of Indians would flee India. The British may have been incredibly harsh towards the insurgents (and rightfully so), but much of the country never rose up, and most of the population had little to fear from British reprisal....
 
Bulgaroktonos said:
Not sure why thousands of Indians would flee India. The British may have been incredibly harsh towards the insurgents (and rightfully so), but much of the country never rose up, and most of the population had little to fear from British reprisal....

Exactly, but INdia is a big country, so even if a small area is involved, there are bound to be people who wish to get away. Thus, I think there is one big reasons why they would flee, to get away from the situation in India. Nobody wants to be around in unsettled times, particularly if you are a small merchant or entreprenuer, you want to be someplace where it is relatively stabile. India at this time is not.

Second, they are now getting reports from relatives already in the states helping to lay track. In TTL, we have the Indians rather than the Chinese entering the Country. As bad as the US would be toward this group (and I do believe they would be bad), the caste system woudln't be affecting the Indian immigrants as it did in India. The Americans just wouldn't get it.
 

Grey Wolf

Donor
Hey you really like Oregon :)

Indians can't flee India unless the British merchant fleet helps and the Royal Navy acquiesces

Given that these wars are in the North, its rather hard to flee by ship from there anyway

Far simpler to do what a lot of them did and go further out to the extremities and sign up for the remaining non-British rulers

Grey Wolf
 
Grey Wolf said:
Hey you really like Oregon :)

Indians can't flee India unless the British merchant fleet helps and the Royal Navy acquiesces

Given that these wars are in the North, its rather hard to flee by ship from there anyway

Far simpler to do what a lot of them did and go further out to the extremities and sign up for the remaining non-British rulers

Grey Wolf

Just call me 'Oregon Fly'
 
How would these Indians arrange for transportation half-way around the world? They'd need both joint Anglo-American approval and, indeed, help (financially and physically) for this move. Would either nation, let alone both of them, finance this journey?

Also, don't forget the racially-biased nature of American immigration laws and stigmas of the time. This was a time when eastern Europeans, let alone people from the Indian sub-continent, were frowned upon by most Americans.

For instance, in 1856, the very time of this proposed immigration, Millard Fillmore, a former President, ran on the American (a.k.a. Know-Nothing) Party ticket. Now, Fillmore garnered nearly 22% of the vote, the second (I believe) highest percentage of the popular vote ever gained by a third party. In other words, this was a fairly mainstream attempt at the Presidency. This party's platform included:

- Severe limits on immigration, especially from Catholic countries.
- Restricting political office to native-born Americans (the Constitution only restricts the office of President in this way).
- Mandating a wait of 21 years before an immigrant could gain citizenship.

Now, these anti-immigrant policies were the BASIS of the American Party. They were directed against southern and eastern Europeans, simply because they were Catholic. Now, imagine how difficult it would be to arrange for large numbers of Hindus and Buddhists from India to get into the nation, especially considering that they weren't even European. This was the age of the Anglo-Saxon "ideal American citizen." The hidden aristocracy of the East Coast would not want these people admitted into the US simply because of their race. (Hate to say it, but it's true.) The lower-classes wouldn't want them admitted because they'd compete for job-openings. Frankly, it would be very difficult, nigh impossible, to get the US government of the time to not just accept these people but to, indeed, help them on their journey here.
 
REvised Timeline

Does this timeline make more sense???

1842 The US recognizes the Sovereignty of the Hawaiian Kingdom and moves to establish greater trade concessions on the heels of American missionary and commercial developments.

1842 British Massacred in Afghanistan: Some 4,500 troops and 12,000 Civilian Camp followers killed after a guarantee of safe passage.

1842 Aroostock War Averted, Webster Ashburton Treaty Signed.

1843 Britain Briefly takes Hawaii over, later recognizes its independence.

1843 British Force Involvement N.W. India; Annexation of Sinde

1843 British Involvement Gwailor Campaign in Central India

1844 Textile manufacture in GB accounts for approximately 48% of all employment.

1845 Polk Elected, tensions rise in the Pacific Northwest.

1845-46 British Involvement; First Sikh War in Punjab

1845-47 British Involvement; First Maori War in New Zealand

1845 Tensions rise with Mexico over the appropriate Texas Border

1845 Irish Potato Famine, (also affects Europe)

1846 California Republic Declared.

1846-47 British Involvement: Second Kaffir War in South Africa

1846 Embargo of Trade Threatened by England. US Manufacturers don’t care but the Southern cotton producers do. The issue becomes bogged down in Congress.

Late 1846: Embargo declared by England. Over night thousands lose their employment in both GB and US.

Nov 1846: Parliament in turmoil, government almost falls, Lord Russell promises to find a solution.

Jan 1847: Great Compromise Proposed. Terms are to be:
1. Oregon ceded to US in its entirety
2. Hawaii becomes British protectorate
3. US border with Mexico resolved in favor of US, Mexico’s rights to disputed area sold to US for $4 million
4. California Independence upheld, plebiscite on annexation into US to be held in 1850
5. GB granted limited 99 year lease of Vancouver Island
6. GB to serve as guarantor of Mexico’s independence and integrity.

1847 Large scale Irish and European immigration to the US and Mexico.

1847 British textile industry begins to develop other sources for cotton, plantations are established in both India and Egypt.

1848-49 British Involvement: Second Sikh War in Punjab

1848 The “Cotton Crash†occurs when British textile manufacturers begin to utilize other sources of cotton. Price of American cotton plummets.

1848 Several Southern Senators turn to the Federal government for aid, which isn’t given as Northern Manufacturers stall any attempt to prop up the price of cotton.

1848 Gold discovered in California.

1848 Great Uprisings across Europe, upon their failure increased immigration to the US

1848-49 The Cotton Crash Continues. Thousands of small farmers and merchants are driven out of business. The federal government opens free land in the territories, and migration to the West picks up.

1850: The California Plebiscite is held and California joins the Union.

1850-53 British Involvement: Third Kaffir War in South Africa

1852: The Cotton Rebellion: the militia in several southern states, most notably South Carolina and Georgia, seize certain federal assets in an attempt to force the federal government to aid the cotton producers. The rebellion is roughly put down by Lt. Colonel R.E. Lee

1852: Uncle Tom’s Cabin Published Raising abolitionist feelings in the north and some border states. The story ends with Tom abandoned to starvation by his heartless master after the failure of the Cotton Crop, unable to make a living because of the law.

1852: Manumission Act of 1852: Passed by Congress, officially frees all slaves who are abandoned by their owners for more than six months. This Federal law provided that freed slaves had the right to petition for return to Africa, or to petition for apportionment of previous owner’s property.

1852-53: British Involvement, Second Burma War

1853: New Homestead Act of 1853, all Free Men are permitted to stake 160 acres of land in the West. Thousands move west.

1853: Commodore Perry opens Japan to foreign trade.

1853-63: First War of the American Plains. A series of Wars intended to ‘pacify’ native tribes. These ended with the defeat of the Sioux by General R.E. Lee.

1854: In March 1854, Anthony Burns, a Virginian slave, escaped and fled to Boston. He was apprehended. Bostonians rallied to his defense and tried to block his return to Virginia. President Pierce ends the standoff by declaring the slave has been abandoned by his master, who did not present himself in Boston. Southern Slaveholders protest to Supreme Court, which upholds the President’s decision. Determining that escaped slaves must be personally recovered by their owners within the six month period or they are ‘abandoned’.

1854-56: British Involvement in Crimean War.

1854-60: American Railroads push west and east, link in Utah. American Railroads contract with the British for thousands of Asian Indians to assist in the building. By 1860, California has a population of 350 thousand, of whom 50 thousand are Asian Indians.

1856-58: Sepoy Mutiny begins when native troops employed by the British revolted and killed their British officers. The Sepoys manage to capture Delhi before the British with the help of the Punjabs put down the revolt. The revolt ends the administration of the East India Company which is replaced by the direct administration of the British crown.
 

Grey Wolf

Donor
Why doesn't Mexico tell the United States to take a flying leap over demands to sell them their territory ?

Grey Wolf
 
Grey Wolf said:
Why doesn't Mexico tell the United States to take a flying leap over demands to sell them their territory ?

Grey Wolf

It's all part of the Grand Compromise. Mexico wants to keep GB in its corner to guarantee it's freedom and GB wants to resolve the issue and have Mexico as a market.

The territories are already lost, Mexico knows this, so it cuts a deal.

Also, one thing that you can't see is that the map I'm working off has Mexico retain the Southern parts of Arizona, New Mexico and California.
 
Decided I would post the map.

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