Effects of greater European emigration to North America 1600 - 1800?

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By about 1484, Columbus proposed his planned voyage to King John II of Portugal. The king submitted Columbus's proposal to his advisors, who rejected it, correctly, on the grounds that Columbus's estimate for a voyage of 2,400 nmi was only a quarter of what it should have been. In 1488, Columbus again appealed to the court of Portugal, and John II again granted him an audience. That meeting also proved unsuccessful, in part because not long afterwards Bartolomeu Dias returned to Portugal with news of his successful rounding of the southern tip of Africa (near the Cape of Good Hope).

Columbus sought an audience with the monarchs Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile, who had united several kingdoms in the Iberian Peninsula by marrying and now ruled together. On 1 May 1486, permission having been granted, Columbus presented his plans to Queen Isabella, who, in turn, referred it to a committee. The learned men of Spain, like their counterparts in Portugal, replied that Columbus had grossly underestimated the distance to Asia. They pronounced the idea impractical and advised the Catholic Monarchs to pass on the proposed venture.

Columbus also dispatched his brother Bartholomew to the court of Henry VII of England to inquire whether the English crown might sponsor his expedition, but he was captured by pirates en route, and only arrived in early 1491


Bartholomew doesn't get captured by pirates and instead meets with Henry VII of England who agrees to finance a voyage.

Columbus sets sail as in OTL as arrives in the Bahamas then North America in 1492.

The English Crown claim the new land and called it Columbia in honour of Columbus's discovery.

In 1501 the first colonists settle at a sight at Roanoke. Unlike OTL the settlement slowly but surely grows encouraging more emigrants to take the voyage to the 'New World' and start other settlements down the Easter seaboard with an average of 4,000 British migrants a year making the crossing.

Populations

1501: 600
1600: 500,000
1700:5,000,000
1800:50,000,000
1900:800,000,000

Despite being claimed by the English this didn't stop either the French & Spanish making a play for it themselves. French troops and colonists landed well north of the 13 colonies and settled in what's now called Canada.

Due to the increase in population of the 13 colonies the Indian Line Law is never implemented and instead the Eastward expansion of the colonies is allowed at around 10 miles per year.

Due to this expansion a series of wars occurs , Father Le Loutre's War, Queen Anne's War, King George's War, and the Seven Years War the English now known as British from 1701 using their superior man power due to their higher population slowly but surely push the French out of North America uniting both the 13 colonies and Arcadia (Canada) into what is then called British Columbia.

The American War of Independence (1st American Civil War) never happens as due to the greater population and thus increase in tax revenues the British do not need to increase tax rates at all thus completely negating the reason for a rebellion in the first place.

Along with Australia & New Zealand, British Columbia is given Dominion Status and thus allowed to set up it's Parliament in 1866 with a King/Queen as Head of State.

The Dominion of Columbia thus continues as a member of the British Empire until it is changed into the British Commonwealth.
 
Just start colonization generation earlier and by 1700 white population would be twice as big as IOTL. It was massive natural growth that was main driver of population increase (doubling every generation) in 13 colonies.
this is a timeline I'm interested in seeing... a usa of 450 mil with 80% being entirely anglo.
 
It is worth noting that mass European settlement in North America was only made possible by mass death among indigenous populations. It is not a coincidence that the Pilgrim settlements of New England succeeded after epidemics had radically depopulated their chosen territories.

Are we going to have the plagues start earlier? Or will you get a more Spanish style of settlement with extensive intermixture?

It is worth noting that in the 16th century, English imperialism has not yet embarked on the colonization of Ireland. Lots of things will look very different.
 
It is worth noting that mass European settlement in North America was only made possible by mass death among indigenous populations. It is not a coincidence that the Pilgrim settlements of New England succeeded after epidemics had radically depopulated their chosen territories.

Are we going to have the plagues start earlier? Or will you get a more Spanish style of settlement with extensive intermixture?

It is worth noting that in the 16th century, English imperialism has not yet embarked on the colonization of Ireland. Lots of things will look very different.
The plagues are coming as soon as there is sustained contact to act as a vector for the diseases. Earlier settlement/contact means earlier plagues. That in itself could have butterflies as native american history and leaders are altered a generation or two or three earlier.
 
The plagues are coming as soon as there is sustained contact to act as a vector for the diseases. Earlier settlement/contact means earlier plagues. That in itself could have butterflies as native american history and leaders are altered a generation or two or three earlier.

Another big reason why you did not get a colonization of North America by northwestern Europeans is because most of these counties were locked in different sorts of wars, civil wars or wars of independence or dynastic conflicts or straight up political repression or simple international wars. If countries can mount expensive settler colonialist projects across the Atlantic, this implies a very different 16th century.
 
Another big reason why you did not get a colonization of North America by northwestern Europeans is because most of these counties were locked in different sorts of wars, civil wars or wars of independence or dynastic conflicts or straight up political repression or simple international wars. If countries can mount expensive settler colonialist projects across the Atlantic, this implies a very different 16th century.
absolutely, but.....

I think any reasonable scenario to achieve the OP implies at least one, probably more, very different centuries.

It need not be all or nothing. There's still going to be wars. But, if we moderate them so that there's a bit left over to fund the initial phases of exploration with an eye toward settlement, gaining a foothold and then expanding from there need not be prohibitively expensive.
 
And if we turn Louis XIV into a builder, not a fighter, France could put energy into developing NA.
I like the cut of your jib. Or maybe you like the cut of mine. ;)
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From Wikiposterous

By about 1484, Columbus proposed his planned voyage to King John II of Portugal. The king submitted Columbus's proposal to his advisors, who rejected it, correctly, on the grounds that Columbus's estimate for a voyage of 2,400 nmi was only a quarter of what it should have been. In 1488, Columbus again appealed to the court of Portugal, and John II again granted him an audience. That meeting also proved unsuccessful, in part because not long afterwards Bartolomeu Dias returned to Portugal with news of his successful rounding of the southern tip of Africa (near the Cape of Good Hope).

Columbus sought an audience with the monarchs Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile, who had united several kingdoms in the Iberian Peninsula by marrying and now ruled together. On 1 May 1486, permission having been granted, Columbus presented his plans to Queen Isabella, who, in turn, referred it to a committee. The learned men of Spain, like their counterparts in Portugal, replied that Columbus had grossly underestimated the distance to Asia. They pronounced the idea impractical and advised the Catholic Monarchs to pass on the proposed venture.

Columbus also dispatched his brother Bartholomew to the court of Henry VII of England to inquire whether the English crown might sponsor his expedition, but he was captured by pirates en route, and only arrived in early 1491


Bartholomew doesn't get captured by pirates and instead meets with Henry VII of England who agrees to finance a voyage.

Columbus sets sail as in OTL as arrives in the Bahamas then North America in 1492.

The English Crown claim the new land and called it Columbia in honour of Columbus's discovery.

In 1501 the first colonists settle at a sight at Roanoke. Unlike OTL the settlement slowly but surely grows encouraging more emigrants to take the voyage to the 'New World' and start other settlements down the Easter seaboard with an average of 4,000 British migrants a year making the crossing.

Populations

1501: 600
1600: 500,000
1700:5,000,000
1800:50,000,000
1900:800,000,000

Despite being claimed by the English this didn't stop either the French & Spanish making a play for it themselves. French troops and colonists landed well north of the 13 colonies and settled in what's now called Canada.

Due to the increase in population of the 13 colonies the Indian Line Law is never implemented and instead the Eastward expansion of the colonies is allowed at around 10 miles per year.

Due to this expansion a series of wars occurs , Father Le Loutre's War, Queen Anne's War, King George's War, and the Seven Years War the English now known as British from 1701 using their superior man power due to their higher population slowly but surely push the French out of North America uniting both the 13 colonies and Arcadia (Canada) into what is then called British Columbia.

The American War of Independence (1st American Civil War) never happens as due to the greater population and thus increase in tax revenues the British do not need to increase tax rates at all thus completely negating the reason for a rebellion in the first place.

Along with Australia & New Zealand, British Columbia is given Dominion Status and thus allowed to set up it's Parliament in 1866 with a King/Queen as Head of State.

The Dominion of Columbia thus continues as a member of the British Empire until it is changed into the British Commonwealth.
That kind of growth is logical with an early start like that. But if landing in the Bahamas initially, why do the English start making a northeast turn to Roanoke instead of a southwest progression to Cuba and then Yucatan and Mexico? Maybe the English would swamp Cuba and Mexico, and while Mexico would have big die-offs, big immigration, and a rise of a big halfbreed (Mestizo) Mexican-English population balloons and moves north and south, with the northward branch of Anglos and Mestizos heavily populating the western the USA.


No Anglicanism and the industrial revolution begins in early-modern Laskill under the guidence of the local Cistercian monks?
Anybody done a detailed scenario on that? I'd heard about the alleged skill of Cistercian metallurgy through their bell-casting, but never heard details like linking it to a place called Laskill.
 
But if landing in the Bahamas initially, why do the English start making a northeast turn to Roanoke instead of a southwest progression to Cuba and then Yucatan and Mexico?

Perhaps it's Hurricane season and although discovering what is now the Bahamas they can't land there

or

the trade winds after the Bahamas send them North thus discovering Florida then the Eastern seaboard of the future British North America. Then they make a journey back to inform the English Crown in case anyone else spots it later.

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