Andronikos III perishes at Pelekanon, as was rumored in that battle. After brief tumultuous reigns by his restored grandfather, half-brother, and another, John Kantakouzenos rises to power with the full backing of the army and begins a transformative and broadly successful reign which ultimately allows the empire to endure to this day as a larger Greece.
Empires that never were
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Thats very much the point of the thread no? See the OP.
So in this case a Japan which managed to overcome its logistical issues, and problems with its commanders, neither of which is impossible, nor a wholly Japanese problem, could have established a greater presence in the region. Japan had the resources to accomplish this, unlike Japan in WWII beating the Americans and British, and there is a clear path to allow them to win.
Plus just pointing out why something didnt happen IOTL to a group of history nerds talking about what could have been is just stating the obvious and unnecessary no?
Yeah but seems Hideyoshi needs to make the Invasion the first point to step to Japan future that taking advantage a opportunity to put his rivals as far away as possible from Kyoto and Edo that worked for a while, till the Chinese and the turtle ships make the invasions a nightmare...Speed is the key and having a navy can send the Korean to port went they are a more manageable issue
While the Kalmar Union or the Swedish imperial period is usually the go to potential empires in Scandinavian history. I think the Valdemaran period in Denmark has a lot of potential. In that period the Danish state controlled the German Baltic coast and Estonia. If Valdemar II had avoided losing his territories, it would have stopped the rise of the Hanseatic League in the Baltic and given Denmark naval control over the sea. Danish surplus population would have settled Pomerania and maybe Prussia, instead of being spend in internal civil wars. Maybe Low German would still have ended up the Lingua Franca of the Baltic, but we could just as well imagine Danish having taken that position, shifting the culture of the entire region to one orbiting Scandinavia instead of Germany.
1. Ancient Syracuse was not only one of the largest cities in the Greek world but managed to hold its own against the Delian League, Carthage, and even put up a good fight against Rome. I could see them expanding across Sicily and then some in another world if circumstances were a bit different.
2. Denmark-Norway could have probably had a larger colonial empire if they really put their backs on it, and generally focused less on the Baltics and Sweden. Of course, they would never get anything like the English or Spanish empires, but more trading posts across Africa, the Caribbean, and India seems doable.
3. Had Stephen played his cards better or just lived a bit longer then the Serbian Empire could have remained a powerful state in the Balkans, perhaps even keeping the Ottomans out of Europe.
4. Morocco was in a prime position to exploit the chaos of the 17th century and potentially nab some Iberian colonies in the Atlantic like the Canaries, and maybe even Northern Brazil. Similar to what the Dutch and English did alongside the Omanis and Ottomans. Unfortunately, they were stuck in a decades-long succession crisis and civil war so they never got the chance to IOTL.
5. Charlagmane not existing or him just not going on a campaign against the Avars could lead to them continuing to settle down and we get ourselves a Turkic or Slavic Pannonia.
6. Having the Ottomans collapse due to dynastic strife in the 17th century or be militarily toppled during the 19th, and we have an empire of similar borders but ruled by a new dynasty, likely the Girays in the former scenario and Muhammed Ali's in the latter.
7. Southen China is its own distinct entity from the north. This is already sorta the case IOTL but had the South remained independent for whatever reason, it's fairly likely it would have its own separate interests and ventures. Most likely it would be much more interested in naval and trade affairs, perhaps spreading Sinic culture to southeast Asia much sooner.
2. Denmark-Norway could have probably had a larger colonial empire if they really put their backs on it, and generally focused less on the Baltics and Sweden. Of course, they would never get anything like the English or Spanish empires, but more trading posts across Africa, the Caribbean, and India seems doable.
3. Had Stephen played his cards better or just lived a bit longer then the Serbian Empire could have remained a powerful state in the Balkans, perhaps even keeping the Ottomans out of Europe.
4. Morocco was in a prime position to exploit the chaos of the 17th century and potentially nab some Iberian colonies in the Atlantic like the Canaries, and maybe even Northern Brazil. Similar to what the Dutch and English did alongside the Omanis and Ottomans. Unfortunately, they were stuck in a decades-long succession crisis and civil war so they never got the chance to IOTL.
5. Charlagmane not existing or him just not going on a campaign against the Avars could lead to them continuing to settle down and we get ourselves a Turkic or Slavic Pannonia.
6. Having the Ottomans collapse due to dynastic strife in the 17th century or be militarily toppled during the 19th, and we have an empire of similar borders but ruled by a new dynasty, likely the Girays in the former scenario and Muhammed Ali's in the latter.
7. Southen China is its own distinct entity from the north. This is already sorta the case IOTL but had the South remained independent for whatever reason, it's fairly likely it would have its own separate interests and ventures. Most likely it would be much more interested in naval and trade affairs, perhaps spreading Sinic culture to southeast Asia much sooner.
they had some trading posts in these regions, but it didn't go forward. I think they would probably have a smaller colonial empire than the Dutch, with the possibility of colonizing northern North America
This requires Morocco to have a deep sea navy capable of defeating the Spanish and Portuguese in wars, which I do not think is possible. The Canaries maybe, a big maybe if Ibeira has a situation 3 or 4 times worse than in OTL. Now considering part of the colony of Brazil is basically ABS without something seriously different from the otl situation in Morocco.
or Egypt becoming independent from the Ottomans
this is one that i think if i change a few simple things it would be very likely
What would be the internal structure of a such a state? Would it be distinct or unique in comparison to its contemporaries?
Based Assyrians.
Speaking of which, they managed to revive their Empire 2 times over, why no third?.
Maybe they should have tried south?. Somewhere where China wouldn't interfer?.
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Because everybody remembered what the results had been the last two times, and made damn sure they didn't get the chance.
Raze all the cities, dispossess the nobility, deport swathes of the population to other regions, etc.
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Ismail doesn't lose at Chaldiran and goes on to take chunks out of the Ottomans. Without the defeat at Chaldiran, his messianic cult of personality survives and future Safavid shahs don't pull away from relying on the qizilbash for their power base. Twelver Shi'a Islam develops differently, possibly in a Mahdist direction.
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Georgia had the potential to solidified its control over most of the Caucasus if it wasn’t completely destroyed by Tamerlane. Probably could have ended up merging with the Armenians into like a dual monarchy of sorts.
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The Twelve-Pointed Sun: A Ṣafavid TL Development Thread
By the time of the rise of the Safavid Empire, the Iranian Plateau's population had been decimated by the invasions of the Mongols in the 1200s and subsequently the invasion of the Uzbek conqueror, Timur, in the late 1300s. In the wake of Timur's destruction (and his descendants' subsequent...
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This is so fascinating, not least because a victorious, successful and long-lasting Safavid Empire has the potential to recreate the sheer territorial extent (or even larger) of the Achaemenid Empire at its height, prevent European imperialism from making inroads into the Middle East, Central Asia and North Africa, and could actually make (messianic) Shias the dominant Muslim sect in the Islamic world.
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