For All Time (dystopian timeline from 2001)

There have been a few threads discussing this old classic by Chester A. Arthur/gentboss, but they haven't really been all that long-lived and have mostly just discussed one aspect of the timeline or another, aside from this one from 2018 by the original author. I thought I'd try something that none of them ever did – namely posting the elusive chapters 125–127 and the epilogue, which are often requested and which are missing from the alternatehistory.com archive. I have taken the liberty of fixing a few spelling errors in them.

Chapters 179 and 180 (and no, there were no chapters between 127 and 179) were written by different users, so as a purist, I'm not including them here.

First, here are chapters 125–127:

For All Time Pt. 125
1979-November 1980

BILL RODHAM was a careful man, at least in some respects. Chicagoans inside and outside the National Volunteer Army unit he commanded until early 1979 considered him one of the leading "new men" of President Jones; he dined at the White House, he testified before a cheerleader Congressional committee headed by Virginia Senator Falwell, he never seemed to miss a rally.

Most of the other National Volunteers weren't terribly clever men, mostly recruited as extra muscle for FBI raids on "anti-American" cells in black nationalist, Jewish extremist, Hispanic, Republican, and trade-union areas. So none of them noticed that Major Rodham never seemed to actually _be_ there on the raids where heads were broken, people shot, and people sent "up the Red River" to Wyoming.

"Teflon Bill"'s career in the NVA came to a rather abrupt end in April, though, when Ms. FRANCES FISHER, a 19-year old Chicago-area debutante and daughter of movie stars, makes certain charges to Rodham's superiors. It doesn't really matter if the stories of all-night coke orgies with the Major's step-sister Hillary are true; though those who know Rodham say the charges are not entirely uncredible.

Rodham's rise has been meteoric, far too meteoric for men like Attorney-General FRANK RIZZO; and Fisher's charges give them a fine, fine oppurtunity. Rodham is invited into the regional FBI office for an extensive conversation with regional director PIERCE, a former engineer.

Two months later, Rodham is practicing law in the city of his birth; despite his big-city ways and missing eye, he quickly becomes one of the more successful attornies in Arkansas.

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As he watches his company's latest geothermal plant go onlione, H. ROSS PEROT sips his Egils Malt and pulls his woolen jacket tight around him; Iceland has made him rich(er), but _damn_, it's cold up here in the summer! Still, at least it's safer than Texas, where most of his fellow white businessmen now travel with bodyguards; some are selling arms to the warring factions in Mexico, some are worried about being shot by the Negro or Mexican that they seem to see under every rock, a select few, like Perot, wonder just what the devil is going on in Washington.

In Iceland, though, and in the Nordic Council it is associated with, a man can make a kroner and not worry about the consequences. Perot listened to a moment to the roar of the plant's great turbines. _If they hadn't kicked out those pinko Social Democrats twenty years ago, all they'd hear up here would be the sound of sucking..._

Still, there's talk of the Social Democrats gaining power. Perot had been naturalized the year before; maybe he could run for a seat in the Althing...

----

Governor CHARLES MANSON has given California a very interesting government. Most of California's news media is loyal to the popular, charismatic, reasonably successful governor, and those who aren't, well, Manson has borrowed techniques from the national government and American despots of old.

Compliant papers recieve press releases from Manson's publicity man; Pasadena Mayor JACK CHICK, whose editorial cartoons have been reprinted in international newspapers, while less than compliant news media are blackmailed or humiliated into silence; while the truly obstrepous will have an encounter with JOHN SCHMITZ's California Boys.

Thus, his nomination for the Presidency in 1980 comes as no surprise to anyone; his only real rival for the nomination, New Hampshire Senator LYNDON LAROUCHE, becomes his Vice-Presidential candidate. Manson has some legitimate issues, the paper money as valuable as paper itself; the internment camps in the Far West and North Pacific (though what Manson would do with the internees is quite omitted.), the growing tensions with the Soviet Union, but he has his weaknesses; the ostentatious lifestyle he lives in Sacramento, the dire fate of migrants into California (at least outside his own state), and the fact that he doesn't offer anything concrete economically.

November 8, 1980 is a very close election; Manson seems to have a narrow plurality of the popular vote but several key states; Florida, Indiana, and Oklahoma are looking very, very close. Florida goes for Manson, and then Oklahoma; but Indiana is Jones' own state, and there are some very interesting things going on with the Indianapolis ballots...

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Fueled by the ashes of Soviets and Chinese, the summer of 1980 is a cold one all over the world, and it's just downright chilly under the Bering Sea. Except on nuclear submarines, of course. Captains VALERY SABLIN and JAMES STOCKDALE are both oddities, even for the submarine corps, but both know exactly what the stakes are.

As their submarines stalk each other below the icy waves and their navies dance a deadly dance in the waters north of Japan, President JIM JONES and General Secretary ANDREI CHIKATILO begin to have...problems. Chikatilo has been very carefully repressing his urges since he ascended to his high office; occasionally visiting state prisons to personally participate in the destruction of "disease-ridden enemies of the state", and it's beginning to show in her personal life. A group of Pioneer Girls are scheduled to visit the General Secretary's office in late December, and he just...can't...refuse...

Meanwhile, President Jones has begun having dreams. Dreams of a shining city on a hill, with a flag of red, white, and blue above. And a world in flames below.

For All Time Pt. 126
December 26, 1980

Secretary of Education Leo Ryan is not a happy man. President Jones, who had started out as such a great friend of education, has been cutting more and more of his department's funds to go into the military and National Volunteers, not to mention the detention camps and the 1980 election campaign.

_Not that the camps are doing much good._, thought Ryan tiredly. The "rebellion" led by that Harvard linguistics professor might have been crushed bloodily, but there were rumors of more coming every day. And while the unfortunate events occurring in the Soviet Union (had Gorchov(*) _really_ walked in on Chikatilo raping and murdering a teenager? Well, it probably didn't matter to the dead in Moscow, St. Petersburg, and Minsk.) had probably made a war unlikely, that didn't make the situation any less alarming.

"Hey, Leo?" "Uh, yes?" Ryan looked up in surprise. G. Gordon Liddy, deputy chief of staff of the Defense Department, didn't often consort with the "Low Cabinet", except in the direst of circumstances. Rumor had it that he was behind the "resignation" of Treasury Secretary Eagleton.

Liddy smiled. "We need a Cabinet majority to agree on, um, an issue. Follow me."

-

"Oh, we're transmitting the order now," lied Secretary of State Alexander Haig. The lie came remarkably easily. Most of what Jones had done over the last few years had made sense at the time; the internment camps were a good idea, if wrongly applied, and even that little explosion in Indianapolis had been worth keeping Charles Manson out of the White House. But this...He looked up as the War Room's door opened. "Would you mind repeating what you said for the Secretary of Education? I'm sure he'd like to hear about it too." "Of course." Jim Jones pierced Leo Ryan with a laser gaze. "The signs all came together for me tonight. The explosion of the Soviet submarine in the Bering Straits, the civil war as the forces of satanic Communism turn on each other for the last time, the plague in Jew Europe and the continuing anarchy in collectivist Africa all point to one thing and one thing alone." He paused dramatically, his eyes a staring red. _He's been drinking "Kool-Aid" again_, thought Haig. "The end times are upon us. Armageddon has risen forth upon the world. And thus, thus I have ordered the space fleet and our bombers into action and the air. We shall bring about the resurrection and the life, hallelujah, hallelujah." Jones bolted upright. "The fleet! I must speak to Colonel North and instruct the space fleet on the righteousness of their cause!"

"Our communicator is out, sir, I'll fly you to the Pentagon." Ryan noticed that Liddy took a walkie-talkie as he accompanied the President outside, and of course a sidearm.

Haig looked around the conference table. "Gentlemen. No such orders have been sent, of course. I will be blunt, we have been expecting something like this for quite some time, and so certain orders have been put in place." He produced a paper. "All you have to do is sign this, and President Jones will no longer be an issue. There will be a transition period, and then we can see about restoring American democracy."

As the table began to murmur with assent, Ryan spoke. "No one will ever accuse Leo Ryan of being particularly loyal to Jim Jones," said the Secretary of Education. "But if we do that, who will run the country?"

Alexander Haig thought for a moment, then shrugged. "I will be in charge."

For All Time Pt. 127
September 27, 2002
Washington, D.C.
President Russ Feingold sighed as Vice-President Buchanan left the Oval Office. He couldn't have won the Republican nomination without Pat, but that didn't mean the man was any less of a son of a bitch. _Losing an eye in Red River doesn't make you a decent man_, thought Feingold, _just like losing a leg in the Kodiak doesn't make me a Democrat._ Still, Pat was the reason the Republicans had finally managed to put an end to the Gorton administration, so perhaps he did have uses.

To be fair, it wasn't as if Buchanan was the only unusual person in the Feingold administration; there was LaDonda Harris at State; perhaps it was her pleas to the Canadian people to "not judge themselves" that had let Stockwell Day stay Prime Minister even after Feingold had withdrawn Gorton's occupation troops from Canada.

Attorney General Sanders, Energy Secretary Haglin...yes, a curious crew indeed. But Russ Feingold was not the type of man to accuse someone of being a crank. No indeed. That was one reason why he'd finally closed all those mental hospitals that had been so ill-used for so many long decares. Surely the people in them could find peace now, free from government control and torture.

But they had helped him push out Slade Gorton, the man who had run the State Department during Alexander Haig's ten years in power, the man who had occupied Canada and Mexico (again) and had almost brought about war with Haider's EU, and the man who had stood by and applauded while Haig "removed the Indian nuclear threat" by dint of a 10 megaton blast.

_At least the Hindutva haven't gotten nukes again. Yet._

And then there was the space program; granted, Onizuka and Ride had orbited the moon in '86, but what had it ever _done_ but perpetuate the Cold Wars with Europe and India? Not to mention the Russian and Chinese states; those that could afford nukes _and_ a starving population. Like the Ukraine. Feingold had spent three years breaking rocks alongside polar bears, but what they did to people there...

Not to mention SPID. In a broad band from Germany to the Pacific, south to the Indian border and east almost to the Mediterreanean, an average of 35% infected with an infection rate that grew exponentially by the year...it was almost, almost a good thing that most people in the area didn't live long enough for SPID to become an issue. Of course, it had already reached western Europe and the US...

Feingold sighed again and went back to work. If Henry Wallace could survive the Presidency, by God, so could he...

* I think this is supposed to read "Gorshkov" referring to Admiral Sergey Gorshkov, but I left it as is due to ambiguity and the lack of a full name.

Finally, here is the "where are they now?" epilogue – I'll assume "Sven Torvalds" and "Roger Torricelli" are intentional:

For All Time
Where Are They Today?

As a moderate man willing to work within the system, HAROLD WASHINGTON spent much of his political career locked out of both Chicago's powerful Daley Machine and power in its black community. After the Haig government brought a measure of stability to the United States and Chicago in particular, Washington was elected to Congress in 1981. As FaT's history was not particularly conducive to a stress-free life, Washington then died in 1987.

With no John F. Kennedy candidacy in 1960, JANE BYRNE McMULLEN never entered electoral politics. Instead, she joined her husband Jay in the newspaper business. _Chicago Today_ did not survive the Jones administration. Jane and
Jay are among the most popular authors in Wellington, New Zealand.

RICHARD DALEY SR/JR are, oddly enough, very much like OTL. The Daley machine happily played ball with every national government until the collapse of the Haig government, and both men were powerful indeed in the Windy City. Even the fall of Haig and the discrediting of governments associated with him didn't entirely destroy the machine; Richard Daley Jr. is a Congressman right now.

Actor DONALD SUTHERLAND is one of the more public spokesmen in the United States for the Anglo bloc in New Brunswick; divided after Jean Ouellette and Pierre Bourassa helped lead Quebec out of Canada in the mid-1980s (just before the brief American occupation of the rest of the country), New Brunswick has been the scene of ethnic conflict that has, fortunately, never gotten much worse than ethnic conflict in New Orleans in the early 20th century.

In a fine example of American humor during the 1980s, ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI was Alexander Haig's ambassador to Poland from 1981 to 1993. Though certainly unhappy with the government he served, Brezezinski was able to help ease the effects of the Soviet Civil War on Poland. Thanks to his efforts, Poland is now one of the wealthiest ex-Soviet bloc nations, with a GDP of $1,560, in OTL 2002 dollars.

Madison Mayor TOMMY THOMPSON was shot during a brief Wisconsin nationalist uprising in 1987. Strangely enough, no one else was injured during that particular uprising. Questions surround Thompson, who retired from elective politics shortly thereafter, to this day. His brother ED, the current Governor of Wisconsin, has an entirely different set of rumors.

HERB KOHL owns the Havana Navigators, one of the more successful teams in the National League. Unlike many wealthy men in the Republic of Cuba, he is not mobbed up. Indeed, his donations to various liberal causes on the island have brought a measure of stability to the usually-graft ridden island.

WILLIAM PROXMIRE is, strangely enough, almost exactly like OTL; by the late 1970s he was considered too much of a maverick for the government to worry about, especially after the frame job; his battles with the Jones and Haig governments accelerated the decline of his health, and he died quietly in his sleep in 1990.

With Italian Communism gone and ECU-backed repairs underway in Rome, the papal hierarchy returned to the Vatican in April of 1990. There is still a very strong Filipino presence in the Catholic Church, though; Pope Francis (himself and many of the College of Cardinals are of the only Catholic country that avoided significant civil unrest in the late 20th century and wasn't under Communist control.

MARGE STEWART lives in Connecticut. A former stockbroker, she is currently a control WASP with a mean streak. On the other hand, she does make a damn fine cherry pie.

ORENTHAL SIMPSON was killed along with two fellow Persian Warriors during a botched jewelry store robbery in 1963 Los Angeles.

HAROLD SHIPMAN (M.D.) was part of an English team of doctors sent to Nigeria to assist their burgeoning medical fields. (With no Middle East to compete with, Nigeria's oil fields has let the West African nation become as rich as OTL's Egypt, per capita). He served as director of one of the largest hospitals in the country until 1995, when he was found dead next to a comatose patient, a syringe of sodium chloride in his thigh.

SVEN TORVALDS served as a radio operator during the Nordic emergency occupation of the Baltics in the late 1980s, After his two years mandatory military service, he moved back to Helsinki where he became assistant manager of a small metalworks factory.

JEFFREY ARCHER is Prime Minister of England; he and the Tory party ended Michael Foot's long, strange reign in 1997. He and United Kingdom PM Salmon get along about as well as one might expect, but at least it gives Archer material for his great, as yet unpublished magnum opus.

ELVIS PRESLEY's business empire didn't survive the attempted Mansonite secession of California in 1981. He didn't mind, by then he was owner and operator of one of the largest casinos in north Australia.

PAT BOONE is, was, and always will be the King of Rock and Roll. Hail to the King, baby!

JOHNNY CASH died of alcohol poisoning on July 5, 1989.

HAYAO MIYAZAKI teaches theater at a small regional academy outside Tokyo. Most of his students prefer to concentrate on military matters before the beginning of their three-year mandatory military service, but some come to enjoy and act in his creations.

Until his death in 1985, CHUCK SCHULTZ's political cartoons were one of the few non-violent highlights of politics in the Republic of Sicily. Whether or not he was killed by the anti-American junta in power that year is open to question.

After a few terms in Congress and a failed run for the US Senate, RONALD REAGAN returned to acting, primarily in television and TV movies. His last major role was as narrator of "Morning in America", a patriotic, government-funded documentary in the early 1980s. He died of liver failure in 1993.

ED SULLIVAN was an oddly popular emcee at various Havana nightclubs in the 1950s and 1960s. He was shot by fired craps dealer RAUL CASTRO in 1971.

NORMA JEAN BAKER MANSON was badly wounded in 1983 when the US Army stormed the Mansonite last bastion in the Sierra Nevadas, killing her husband CHARLES and most of his inner circle. She died in administrative detention on Kodiak Island in 1985.

FRANK SINATRA was shot by a jealous husband in 1950.

DEAN MARTIN, lounge singer and entertainer, died of alcohol poisoning in 1963.

HANK AARON was assassinated by a white supremacist in 1967, while on his way to yet another batting championship.

PAUL ERDOS contributed some of the maths behind the American spaceplace project before questions about his politics persuaded him to quit government work in 1955. He lived as a mathematician and scholar at CSU-Sacramento. He contracted botulism after the city lost power for three weeks in 1982 and died two days later.

ROBERT HEINLEIN, like many ex-leftists, converted to ultra-conservatism. He was _the_ favorite science-fiction writer of the Haig administration, and his 1981 collaboration with Ayn Rand _Stranger in a Strange Land_, must be read to be believed.

State Senator and author LAFAYETTE HUBBARD fell foul of the Manson machine in California in the early 1970s. After an enthusiastic smear/exposure campaign, he retired to his house in the hills near L.A. He died in a landslide in 1986.

JOE TRAVOLTA owns a tire repair shop in Englewood, New Jersey. Theatrical and showy, he is something of a celebrity in the local community thanks to his many television and public event appearances.

ROBERT ANTON WILSON served as a regional FBI director in Ohio in the 1980s. He had one of the highest arrest records in the FBI before his paranoia finally led to his dismissal after he accused the Governor of spying for Nazi ghosts.

After his National Service period in Burma in the 1950s, OLIVER SACKS decided to concentrate on medicine over science. He is today one of the wealthiest, beloved pediatricians in London.

TONY HILLERMAN died on the beaches during the bloody, abortive American invasion of Japan in the final days of WWII.

EDWIN KING teaches high school in rural Maine. He doesn't have a lot of money, but he does have a lot of tenure, and that's almost good enough these days.

WILLIAM JEFFERSON RODHAM is a complex man. The sitting Governor of Arkansas; Rodham had the good fortune to run afoul of his own National Volunteers before the Haig coup of 1980. Post-Haig, after a career of practicing law in Arkansas and quietly, behind-the-scenes, agreeing with dissident groups, Rodham's own misdeeds vanished before the previous years and his own missing eye. A popular Democrat and Slade Gorton's Secretary of Education, he is a leading candidate for the Presidential nomination in 2004.

JOHN LENNON's career as the greatest Indian musician in the British Isles took an interesting turn in 1990 when Edinburgh police pulled him off his fourth wife. Fame and fortune are just as able to help Lennon escape legal trouble as they were for the Gabor sisters. He was paroled last year.

STEVLAND JUDKINS received too much oxygen in the infant incubator at Saginaw General hospital. Left blind and brain-damaged, he died of diptheria in the Michigan Home for the Crippled in 1966.

Music: (*)
1. PAT BOONE: THIRTY NUMBER ONES.
-Garden of Eden, 1981.
2. EAST MEETS WEST: SASURI NO COWBOY
-Rolf Harris, 2002
3. YOUR CHEATIN' HEART: THE TRAVELING WILBURYS
-My Dog is Drunk, 2002

Movies :
1. THE SUM OF ALL FEARS
2. BREAKIN' FIVE: TIME TO JIVE
2. BREAKIN' SIX: BAG OF TRICKS.

New York City: Imagine, if you can, a combination of the government of David Dinkins and Rudolph Guliani. This is the New York City of Mayor MICHAEL ROCKEFELLER.

Los Angeles /San Francisco: Berlin, 1960. But with smog, and no Communists.
Birmingham: Mm, shiny.
Toronto: They've done remarkably well in the post-Occupation era.

Montreal: Independence hasn't gone that well for the Quebecois, especially with the ethnic conflicts and such.
Havana: Vegas! But seedy, and with a Spanish accent.
Buenos Aires: Every major building in the city is post-1975. The area around them is oddly flat, and colored funny...

Berlin: An interesting mix of its OTL 1935 self and 1955 eastern self, except it's their own boys on the streets. Germany, of course, stretches south to the Italian border.

Sydney: Charles Yu's government is tough but fair.
Moscow /Leningrad/St.Petersburg: It's, um, pretty quiet.

Delhi: President Attri has built a shrine to the half-million dead of 1985 there. Rumor has it that it was inaugurated by the execution of a dozen Muslim and Christian resistance leaders from East Pakistan, Pakistan, and Kerala. That is, of course, silly. They were executed in the Himalayas a week earlier.

Jerusalem: Rehavam Ze'evi recently survived an assassination attempt by a right-wing extremist outraged by the President's refusal to use nuclear weapons on the Palestinian Republic of Egypt. Fortunately, such sentiments are rare even in the state founded by Meir Kahane.

Cairo: Like Dodge City with accents and AK-47s.
Kinshasa: Smoky, from all the cookfires.
Cape Town: Smoky, from all the bombings.

WILLIAM REHNQUIST served as Attorney General in Joe Foss' Cabinet. Afterwards, he retired to private law practice, making only one unsuccessful run for the Arizona governorship in 1986. He currently resides at a retirement home in Phoenix.

ANTONIN SCALIA, a federal judge in Illinois, was considered a leading candidate for a Supreme Court appointment if PAT BUCHANAN had won the Republican nomination in 2000. As it is, he bides his time for future elections and concentrates on writing some very outspoken court decisions.

SANDRA DAY O'CONNOR, the longest serving Attorney General in the history of the state of Arizona, retired to write several best-selling mystery novels and her memoirs in 1995. She will be played by JAYNE MANSFIELD in the inevitable movie.

JOHN PAUL STEVENS retired from his law practice in Chicago in 1995 to embark on a cruise around the world. He is currently sunning himself on deck near American Samoa.

ANTHONY KENNEDY was shot by an unknown assailant after he criticized California Governor Charles Manson in 1975. He recovered, moved to the United Kingdom, and is currently a professor of political science at the University of Glasgow.

DAVID SOUTER, a Democrat, is Governor of New Hampshire.

STEPHEN BREYER is a professor at the College of Law in Sydney.

LINO GRAGLIA is Mayor of Chicago. It was a damn interesting election, let me tell you.

RUDY GIULIANI heads the NYPD.

NEWT GINGRICH is one of the top science fiction writers in America; his optimistic visions of the future are a comfort to all in the dark world of FaT's 2002. His fans often suggest him for political office, though more sensible types suggest that no one so arrogant and divorced so many times could have a successful political career.

JOHN GOTTI was not the first mayor of New York City to go to prison, but he did serve the longest sentence before his death in 2002. It was perhaps an end deserved by the former National Volunteer group commander.

Former Attorney General ARLEN SPECTER wrote the Equal Rights Amendment, passed last year when Mississippi provided a 2/3rds majority of approving states.

DONALD RUMSFELD heads one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world.

JAMES BAKER was a very effective Secretary of Transportation for Alexander Haig. There was no chance of him rising any higher in Haig's government; a little too mild-mannered for Haig's tastes.

WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY is Governor of New York.

PHIL GRAMM was the most senior economics professor at Texas A&M University, before he rushed into the breach to rescue victims of the bonfire collapse. Thanks to his age and the presence of younger, fitter men, Gramm's efforts were more organizational than anything else. However, he has parlayed his fame into a successful run for Congress, and there is talk of running him against powerful senior Senator HENRY CISNEROS.

FATHER JOHANNES BJELKE-PETERSEN serves as Charles Yu's spiritual advisor.

SANDY ARCHER has freed Australia from the prison of nuclear power plants. Now, what to do with all those piles...

L. NEIL SMITH spent a few years in protective custody during the Haig years. After Haig's government fell, Smith's ready pen made him a growing figure in the very large, very diverse tent that is the modern Republican Party. He is currently, God save us all, the Governor of Nevada.

MARTIN MOORE, a film student at the University of Michigan: Ann Arbor, tried to finance his first movie in the early 1970s by running a few neighborhood bingo games in his dorm room. He neglected to consult with local businessmen. Their representatives did not enjoy being mocked.

LARRY FLYNT runs a very large, very successful empire of publishing and pornography from his mansion in the Balaerics, where he emigrated after the Haig government turned out to have problems with pornography.

GEORGE H. BUSH is the first Texan Prime Minister of Iceland.

JOHN ASHCROFT served as Alexander Haig's Attorney General from 1985 to 1993. Persuaded to return to the United States from Sweden in 2000, his testimony before the Truth Commission managed to be both self-serving and revealing, particularly about the activities carried out by others.

MUHAMMAD ZAHIR SHAH's speech before the Georgians killed him was a triumph for a man who'd really rather have been elsewhere at the time.

HOWARD ZINN and UTAH PHILLIPS' bodies were never found.

GREG PALAST's media empire is one of the largest in the British isles.

BRUNO MEGRET's short-lived government fell in early 2002. He escaped the fate of most French heads of state of the last half-century, fleeing to Corsica with several big sacks of money. His replacement, General-President LORRAIN DE SAINT-AFFRIQUE, is far more aggressive.

JEAN-MARIE LE PEN is President of the Republic of Brittany.

JACQUES CHIRAC, like many French-speaking immigrants to the United States, has gone into politics; the former political science professor is now Governor of Massachusetts.

LIONEL JOSPIN is President of the Republic of St. Pierre and Miquelon.

FRANZ SCHOENHUBER recently lost control of the National German Party to his protege and rival, JORG HAIDER. Haider, of course, still has to take control of the national government from President EDMUND STOIBER, perhaps the most powerful man in Europe.

VLADIMIR ZHIRINOVSKY is dead in the ashes of Siberia.

JOSEPH KENNEDY III became addicted to crack cocaine in early 1977, his addiction becoming public five years later. Conspiracy theorists are wont to speculate on what connection Presidents Jones and Haig had to the permanent disabling of a potential political rival.

After retiring from his job as lead anchor of the Dallas Morning News in 1989, DAN RATHER fished for a few years until he decided to go back into journalism. He is currently the host of KSCS 96.3 FM's Top 40 bloc.

GEORGE BUSH SR. commands the United States space program.

JERRY BROWN was framed for heroin-smuggling by California Governor Charles Manson and stabbed to death in prison in 1970.

Captain JOHN MCCAIN was fired from his position in the White House after losing his temper with President McGovern. Alexander Haig briefly returned him to the post of honor before realizing he didn't like the man much either. His record was hard to argue with, though, so McCain's career survived even that. Near retirement, he is currently on a long-term mission under the Arctic Ice Cap.

HENRY KISSINGER is professor emeritus of political science at Harvard University.

After flirting with politics and acting, GERALD FORD picked acting, and played the President or "the Senator" or "the coach" in more movies after 1970 than any other actor of his day. He was nominated for an Oscar for his biggest screen role in _The Graduate._

CHARLES THOMAS, born in New York City in 1948 to black migrants from Georgia, had the exciting life of most black men of his generation. A graduate of CCNY, Thomas was one of the most prominent black attorneys in New York in the 1970s and 1980s; though he always seemed to be second-chair to someone else. A bid for Mayor in 1991 foundered on accusations of sexual harassment, and Thomas is considering a move to economic success story Nigeria, where Americans can all but buy and sell the locals.

EARL WARREN served as Governor and Senator from California and later became dean of UCLA's law school. Unhappy with his nation's turn, he died in 1971, one of the most respected jurists in the United States.

ROBERT BORK is Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, one of the first appointees of President Slade Gorton in 1993. His battles with recent Feingold appointee ROBERT REICH have been at least entertaining, if a little
terrifying.

Florida attorney JANET RENO has made a substantial amount of money in the specialized but lucrative field of patent law in South Florida, particularly in chemical engineering.

A martyr to organized crime, the death of BRIAN MULRONEY in 1974 was used by the Canadian government to establish tough new anti-organized crime laws. The RCMP is, if anything, even more powerful and anti-civil liberties than in OTL.

General PERVEZ MUSHARRAF was killed during the Indian conquest of Pakistan in 1995.

JOHN KERRY is the Deputy Attorney General of California, notorious for his affairs with movie starlets.

BORIS YELTSIN spent the Soviet Civil War in North Japan, watching his nation crumble into fiery ash. The former engineer died of alcohol poisoning in 1991.

VLADIMIR PUTIN is buried in a mass grave somewhere in south Ukraine.

VINCENTE FOX is the first civilian President of Mexico since the 1970s.

Lieutenant COLIN POWELL was shot during street fighting in Houston in 1967. Strangely enough, the round in his chest was US Army issue.

DELGADO CHALBAUD was, like most great men, succeeded by weaker men. Venezuelan prosperity might have survived the long jungle war with Brazil, but the nuclear bombings; less so, less so. It remains the most powerful nation in South America, though, thanks to the nuclear monopoly.

JUAN CARLOS I reigns today as Lord of the Balaerics, King of Spain-abroad.

Father AL GORE administers to the spiritual needs of most of the city of Nashville.

YASSER ARAFAT, a Jordanian politician and engineer, was killed while serving in the Arab League Defense Forces during the Soviet invasion of the Middle East.

WILLIAM SAFIRE, freed in 1993 after two years under house arrest and three in prison after protesting the nuclear strike on New Dehli, married fellow dissident and New Yorker RUTH BADER in 1995. Their jointly written column is one of the highlights of the modern American political scene.

RICHARD NIXON's fast-food empire somehow survived all the misfortunes that befell the United States and the world in the last thirty years. Everyone comes to Nixon's, and not just for the secret sauce. If you don't get it in 18 and a half minutes, it's free!

H. RAP BROWN is Mayor of San Francisco.

DICK GREGORY survived Hollywood and interracial violence only to die of lung cancer in 1991.

SAMMY DAVIS JR.'s last major film role was as Martin Short's trainer in the movie _Rocky_ in 1979, he had usually played entertainers in B movies in his previous roles. He died of cancer in 1987.

JAYNE MANSFIELD had a successful career on the stage and television, particularly as Raymond Burr's secretary on Perry Mason. She survived pep pills, booze, and Charlie Manson. Today, she hosts her own talk show in the San
Fernando valley.

WILLIAM HENRY GATES III owns one of the largest construction companies in the state, for his age. With his crew cut, granny glasses,and six foot frame, he is a familiar figure on the Seattle social scene, a patron of the Asian-classical music that is centered around the Pacific Northwest.

Pacifist sci-fi author ISAAC ASIMOV organized and led a humanitarian aid to the Republic of Stavropol, one of the more successful Soviet successor states, in 1986. Eight years later, he died of complications relating to SPID.

MARGARET THATCHER, retired from politics after the attempted monarchist coup against Tony Benn and her husband's death in British Guiana, was hit by a bus while traveling through the city of Thaxted in 1978.

ANN BLAIR is a New Tory MP from South London. Ambitious and talented, only questions about her political reliability within the party has kept her from rising higher in the dominant party in England.

MICHAEL FOOT was Prime Minister of England from 1980 to 1997, when Jeffrey Archer's New Tories ended his long, interesting tenure after a proposal to turn the English Army into an all-volunteer force failed. (England, like every Western European country except Ireland, retains universal service.)

Boy wonder PAUL JOBS turned a small machine shop into a large, successful agricultural technology firm in California in the early 1980s; Apricot tractors are used from Australia to the United Kingdom, though questions about engine reliability continue to dog the company.

WILLIAM SHOCKLEY drifted into consultation work for the US military in the early 1950s, designing much of the hardware that would eventually drive the US military space program. Digging out a happy little place for himself in the US government's computer engineering wing, Shockley helped hire like-minded engineers for the construction of ARPANET in the late 1970s. To this day, the "Shockley" stereotype haunts computer engineers.

CARL I. HAGEN is Prime Minister of Norway. Though popular in his own country, he is considered too leftist to be elected to the Presidency of the Nordic Council in 2003.

THE SCANDINAVIAN ROYAL FAMILIES are oddly like OTL, but with more power, and more drugs. A lot of heroin passes through Stockholm on its way from Southeast Asia.

TOM CLANCY is a successful insurance salesman in Maryland.

The monument to Norwegian paratrooper THOR HEYERDAHL, resting on the cold Finnmark soil where he fell in 1945, is one of the largest of any in Scandinavia; his heroism in rescuing several comrades made him a hero to his fellow Norwegians.

Though pretty liberal for a Democrat, ROGER TORRICELLI served as Slade Gorton's VP from 1997 to 2001. Despite lingering accusations of corruption, as a young, articulate, presentable Democrat, Torricelli remains a leading candidate for the nomination in 2004.

Former Massachusetts Governor ROBERT REICH was Russ Feingold's most recent appointee to the United States Supreme Court. While respected in the Republican Party, he is no one's idea of a Presidential contender.

Former Treasury Secretary MILTON FRIEDMAN's political career went south along with the administration of Thomas Dewey, but controversy doesn't have to be a bad thing in academia. He is currently chair of the Economics Department at the University of Florida; where his students and their students have made Florida a centerpiece for quiet, intelligent conservatives everywhere.

JACK WELCH, recently retired from his job at PBS, is one of the most famous men in the country among young people and educators; his tenure as "Mr. Wizard" made his face a legend among children with an interest in science and educators with an interest in teaching. Taking a big share of the marketing rights for his name and image has, of course, made him a wealthy man.

WARREN BUFFETT is, by far, the wealthiest man in the Balearics.

ROBERT RUBIN is Chairman of the Federal Reserve. He's done unspeakable things to the dollar, but by God he's kept it afloat in the nine years since the revival of civilian government in 1993.

ALAN GREENSPAN was never the best clarinet and saxophone man at the New York Philharmonic, and his background in a swing band always told against him among the more conservative musicians. In 1965 he left the Philharmonic and founded his own record company. Greenspan the music businessman proved to be far more
successful than Greenspan the musician, and Greenspan House Records ads can be found in most North American magazines.

(*) I've no clue what this part is about.

So, anyone else want to ponder what happened to locations, organizations and people that were not mentioned in the story, or just received less coverage? I got some ideas of my own regarding the Nordic Council, Japan and Taiwan – might post them later, I just want to get this thing out first, since so many people always ask for it.
 
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Well if we ignore @Lord Roem 's sequel I can see the Nordic Council eventually becoming the core of an alternate European Union since it was basically left as the most developed, least animosity-driven collection of countries on the continent and with the collapse of the Soviet sphere (and since the author said he wanted FAT to upswing towards positivity in the end) it would make more sense than them nuking themselves in a civil war like the aforementioned sequel implied they did.
 
Well if we ignore @Lord Roem 's sequel I can see the Nordic Council eventually becoming the core of an alternate European Union since it was basically left as the most developed, least animosity-driven collection of countries on the continent and with the collapse of the Soviet sphere (and since the author said he wanted FAT to upswing towards positivity in the end) it would make more sense than them nuking themselves in a civil war like the aforementioned sequel implied they did.
Maybe join forces with the European Customs Union that is established in the early 1970's? The pseudo-fascist Germany might be an issue though, though I'm not 100% sure if they are supposed to be a member – France at least seems to be.
 
Maybe join forces with the European Customs Union that is established in the early 1970's? The pseudo-fascist Germany might be an issue though, though I'm not 100% sure if they are supposed to be a member – France at least seems to be.
Yeah well all of Europe aside from Germany and its potential puppets probably equal out to neck and neck, everyone involved do have nuclear weaponry and they know how they will end up if they are dumb enough to level one another, but I don't think it would come to that, nobody is that crazy not even the crazy National Bolsheviks.
 
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Alright, here's what I wrote about Japan and Taiwan – I purposefully tried to emulate the style of the original.

Set ca. 1981.

Admiral AKIO MORITA is growing restless. He knows the JPR on Hokkaido is weaker than ever with the outbreak of the civil war in Russia, but Prime Minister RYOKICHI MINOBE is still yet to allow him to land on the northern island. Morita does also know that Chief of Staff HIROOMI KURISU is sympathetic to his cause, as is former Minister of Defense and likely next Prime Minister SHINTARO ISHIHARA. Perhaps Tokyo could be bypassed by some of Morita's ships getting "lost" in a convenient manner...

Everybody who is anybody has seen the works of RUMIKO TAKAHASHI, though they probably could not actually name her when asked. The various postcards she has illustrated for Kobunsha don't quite make for a comfortable living, so she also moonlights as a pornographic comic book artist. Her "Yamu the Demon Girl"(*), about a sexy demon emerging from Mount Osore and engaging in all sorts of debauchery with a schoolboy, has found significant success among the less savoury inhabitants of Niigata.

Meanwhile, the Shinkansen (Bullet Train) is now finished! It took almost two whole decades to build and was almost cancelled thrice – but look, 90 miles per hour!

Preacher MARTTI ILMARI TURUNEN is almost certainly the only Finnish person on Taiwan. He has no interest in becoming the least bit Chinese, only in getting out of the place and back to Bangkok as soon as possible. Taiwan is poor, Taiwan is deadly.

...unless you're a drug lord, and that's what GUO TAIMING is slowly working on. The "not being poor" part mostly, not the "not being deadly" part, as Guo is quite deadly to those who oppose him in his trade – the junkies in Japan, the Philippines and Australia deserve only the best heroin.(**) Like all criminal bigwigs worth their salt, Guo also has his own nickname; he's the Fox.

* I doubt science fiction would be very popular in Japan, with the genre apparently being very stunted in FaTL overall. So, no space alien girl this time.
** This was somewhat inspired by the Lord Roem sequel.
 
God, reading that first post without reading the context recently was one of the most surreal things I've done in a while.

Perfectly on brand for that TL, I guess, considering how insane everyone's leadership was by the '70s...

In addition to that first sequel, there's also a further sequel with map that goes further in the future on the board.
 

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Alright, here's what I wrote about Japan and Taiwan – I purposefully tried to emulate the style of the original.

Set ca. 1981.
Very much in feel of original. What happens to the Chinese and (Indian) SE Asian diaspora? Also there was some mention of Indonesian refugees in Australia, South Japanese legal immigration to California (from a poorer, more unstable country) and presumably some Caribbean/Indian immigrants to Britain
 
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If you're at all taking requests:

What, exactly, did happen to Korea after the Kims tried to make an absurdly large nuke and the rest of the world responded with a massive preemptive strike?
 

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Is there a list of important foreign languages ITTL? For Americans there might not be any save Spanish, or maybe German and Japanese. France is more associated with cannibal-presidents civil wars, genocidal settler states (Maghreb) or Quebec
 
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What, exactly, did happen to Korea after the Kims tried to make an absurdly large nuke and the rest of the world responded with a massive preemptive strike?
I can't imagine that it would have a native population anymore and it was occupied by the Chinese under Lin Biao so I assume it avoided getting nuked because there really isn't a strategic reason to do so, so whatever warlord ultimately controls the territory its probably get maybe a million people tops after the Great People's Revolutionary Hammer killed 40 million Koreans.
 
What, exactly, did happen to Korea after the Kims tried to make an absurdly large nuke and the rest of the world responded with a massive preemptive strike?
Probably got annexed by the Japanese considering that at that point Korea would not really exist and Japan would probably move in if just to deal with any pirates using the peninsula as a base.
 
Probably got annexed by the Japanese considering that at that point Korea would not really exist and Japan would probably move in if just to deal with any pirates using the peninsula as a base.
Long term I can legitimately see South Japan (whether its annexed the JPR yet idk) occupying the entirety of Korea and then annexing it 100 years to the day of its previous annexation. Seems suitable for FAT because its a sorta macabre situation despite being a positive step in a slightly less amoral situation :p fostering trade with the post-Communist government of Mongolia, the one that has a coastline...
 
Probably got annexed by the Japanese considering that at that point Korea would not really exist and Japan would probably move in if just to deal with any pirates using the peninsula as a base.
The one sequel I've seen did strongly imply that this was eventually the case, though it's unclear exactly when this happened. Actually, might as well link that here since we're on the subject:

 
Alright, here's what I wrote about Japan and Taiwan – I purposefully tried to emulate the style of the original.

Set ca. 1981.
Speaking of Taiwan, considering Chiang IOTL fantasized about Project National Glory until his last days, how likely do you see the KMT trying to turn his fantasies into reality when the PRC got oofed by the USSR here?
 
Speaking of Taiwan, considering Chiang IOTL fantasized about Project National Glory until his last days, how likely do you see the KMT trying to turn his fantasies into reality when the PRC got oofed by the USSR here?
It's possible, though since we don't know what was hit I don't know what areas the Taiwanese could safely occupy. Hainan maybe? (I think the 2009 map by SRegan shows them controlling it)

Also, my headcanon is that one or several of the Soviet nuclear strikes hit Chinese dams, which caused a flood or two, killing more people than they otherwise would have. This is where Chikatilo gets the idea of nuking the High Nasser (Aswan) Dam later in 1975.
 
It's possible, though since we don't know what was hit I don't know what areas the Taiwanese could safely occupy. Hainan maybe? (I think the 2009 map by SRegan shows them controlling it)
Maybe they could also take sizable portions of the South Chinese Coast, especially with Britain inviting the KMT to Guangdong to provide a buffer for British Hong Kong and Matsu/Kinmen being off the coast of Fujian Province?
 
It's possible, though since we don't know what was hit I don't know what areas the Taiwanese could safely occupy. Hainan maybe? (I think the 2009 map by SRegan shows them controlling it)

Also, my headcanon is that one or several of the Soviet nuclear strikes hit Chinese dams, which caused a flood or two, killing more people than they otherwise would have. This is where Chikatilo gets the idea of nuking the High Nasser (Aswan) Dam later in 1975.
Everything after this is directly copy-pasted from For All Time:
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From The Sino-Soviet War, John Keegan

"Whatever else the flaws of the Chinese government, they retained elements of strategic sense...[Lin] successfully evacuated his government to Qinghai before ordering the tactical strikes at Hanoi and the strategic strikes against the Soviet Union.

[Suslov] refused offers of evacuation, instead choosing to stay in Moscow while organizing the attacks upon the Soviet Union. He seems to have been killed by the sole successful Chinese strike west of the Urals, a three megaton bombing of central Moscow. Further waves of Chinese tactical bombers succeeded in largely destroying the most of the major urban centers of Siberia south of the 60th parallel and the capital cities of the Soviet Muslim republics. Perhaps 100 million Soviets died in the initial attacks and the weeks after. By the end of the day on February 19, 1973, the major phase of the Sino-Soviet War was over.

The Soviet counter-strikes were significantly more destructive. The Chinese attempt at strategic decapitation might have proved successful without the backup command center in the Ukraine, and so there was nothing to materially hamper the counter-strikes from bombers and space-based craft already in the air before the destruction of their Siberian and Kazakh bases.

Of a Chinese population of 900 million, the Soviet destruction of every city with a population greater than 1 million east of the 100th meridian together with massive strikes on agricultural, industrial, and military areas killed 3/5ths, or 540 million Chinese. Subsequent die-offs, given the large-scale destruction of Chinese agriculture in the east, coupled with the Soviet invasion through the spring and summer of 1973, (the Chinese attacks were directed, probably mistakenly, against Soviet urban and civilian populations.) killed roughly half the survivors.

The Soviet Union, by leaning very strongly on the other nations of the CPSD and by leaning strongly toward the new breed of totalitarian ideology under the new [Chikatilo] government in Volgograd, managed to survive the turmoil of the immediate post-war years. The People's Republic of China, however, was an entirely different kettle of fish, at least outside of the post-treaty borders that awarded Manchuria, Gansu, and Xinjiang to the Soviet Union, while Mongolia recieved Inner Mongolia and the virtually depopulated Liaoning province, giving Mongolia its first coastline in a very long time..."
 
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On that note, especially with how Chiang's OTL regime had Project National Glory and all that, how would you rate the feasibility of a KMT "homecoming" after the Sino-Soviet War in For All Time, then?
 
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From The Sino-Soviet War, John Keegan

"Whatever else the flaws of the Chinese government, they retained elements of strategic sense...[Lin] successfully evacuated his government to Qinghai before ordering the tactical strikes at Hanoi and the strategic strikes against the Soviet Union.

[Suslov] refused offers of evacuation, instead choosing to stay in Moscow while organizing the attacks upon the Soviet Union. He seems to have been killed by the sole successful Chinese strike west of the Urals, a three megaton bombing of central Moscow. Further waves of Chinese tactical bombers succeeded in largely destroying the most of the major urban centers of Siberia south of the 60th parallel and the capital cities of the Soviet Muslim republics. Perhaps 100 million Soviets died in the initial attacks and the weeks after. By the end of the day on February 19, 1973, the major phase of the Sino-Soviet War was over.

The Soviet counter-strikes were significantly more destructive. The Chinese attempt at strategic decapitation might have proved successful without the backup command center in the Ukraine, and so there was nothing to materially hamper the counter-strikes from bombers and space-based craft already in the air before the destruction of their Siberian and Kazakh bases.

Of a Chinese population of 900 million, the Soviet destruction of every city with a population greater than 1 million east of the 100th meridian together with massive strikes on agricultural, industrial, and military areas killed 3/5ths, or 540 million Chinese. Subsequent die-offs, given the large-scale destruction of Chinese agriculture in the east, coupled with the Soviet invasion through the spring and summer of 1973, (the Chinese attacks were directed, probably mistakenly, against Soviet urban and civilian populations.) killed roughly half the survivors.

The Soviet Union, by leaning very strongly on the other nations of the CPSD and by leaning strongly toward the new breed of totalitarian ideology under the new [Chikatilo] government in Volgograd, managed to survive the turmoil of the immediate post-war years. The People's Republic of China, however, was an entirely different kettle of fish, at least outside of the post-treaty borders that awarded Manchuria, Gansu, and Xinjiang to the Soviet Union, while Mongolia recieved Inner Mongolia and the virtually depopulated Liaoning province, giving Mongolia its first coastline in a very long time..."
...wow, I never even realised it was that bad, mostly because I never bothered to check where the 100th meridian east actually is.

I'm currently writing the Scandinavia bit, so if anyone has any requests or suggestions as to what should be covered, now would be a good time to share them.
 
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