Roughly half of it.
Sounds like this shouldn't be in the Future Map Thread, then.
Do what now?
How is this relevant?
It could when it first gained statehood, but that ship has sailed.
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Which the US would ignore to the point of a brief, "Sit down and shut up" war if need be. Guyana and the US have a great deal of common population.
Oh dear. I was talking about Columbia and Washington on the West Coast, but you're seriously making a city into a state, too?
Yeah, I noticed that also. IMO a united Europe under the EU is as implausible as Operation Sealion or TL-191, simply because none of the countries want it to happen and any attempt to do so would result in an unmitigated faliure.
Such is the case now. In 100, maybe more years there is plenty of chance for that to change.
They could if made to be force, but why would any country voluntarily give up their independence, to join a nation with dozens more disinctive cultures and languages?
I don't see Europe unifying like that. I'd say that what will happen is a slow and gradual integration (and some expansion) of the EU countries. In 100 years or so I'd imagine the balance of power between EU member state governments and the EU gov itself as being much more similar to that of the US. It isn't just going to *happen*.
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Interesting but the chances of Tibet, Uigherstan, and Kurdistan gaining independence are pretty much nothing. No Chinese government democratic or socialist would allow the two western regions to break away and no foreign power could realistically help them. They will both be majority Han. Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria will work together to prevent an independent Kurdistan from emerging. Turkey will cancel its alliance with America if the US government supports independent Kurdistan. Idealistic but not realistic. The best the Kurds, Tibetans and Uighers could hope for is some autonomy. Only Iraqi and Syrian Kurdistan are likely to get it.
Thanks for the feedback. My thinking here was that, since Iraq was pretty much a collapsed state, the USA was able to convince Iraq that, instead of wasting money and manpower on trying to hold onto an area they couldn't control, let Kurdistan go peacefully, and in the process gaining a potential stable and democratic ally in the Middle East. After the Iranian Civil War, both Baluchistan and Iranian Kurdistan go independent, and Iranian Kurdistan ends up joining Iraqi Kurdistan. With the collapse of Pakistan, Baluchistan joins its Pakistani counterparts as well, and Turkey and Syria have given the Kurds in their countries greater autonomy. As for China, economic problems starting in the late 2010s caused their control over the inner regions wane, until the eventual Republic of China, created by a peaceful regime change, granted them independence, but they're independent in name only, being Chinese clients. I also have a WIP for the spheres of influence. Great powers are the USA, EU, China, Russia, India and Brazil.
So who's running Pakistan?
And why would a Chinese government grant independence to border regions, even a democratic one? It's a matter of national pride, not of democracy or communism. Flooding the regions with Han Chinese settlers seems to be working fine for them in OTL.
Cheers,
Ganesha
And why would a Chinese government grant independence to border regions, even a democratic one? It's a matter of national pride, not of democracy or communism. Flooding the regions with Han Chinese settlers seems to be working fine for them in OTL.
Cheers,
Ganesha
Pakistan is a somewhat flawed democracy after its collapse and Indian-led UN intervention.
A few questions:
1. I understand dividing Ukraine, but why along that line? You have Kiev in the Russian client portion, with Crimea (which is by far the least likely part of Ukraine to stick with Ukraine) in the EU.
2. Why would Vojvodina secede?
3. If Pakistan collapses, why not further (independent Sindh, Waziristan, etc)?
4. How did Indonesia and the Philippines carve up Malaysian Borneo?
5. What happened to Algeria?
6. How did Brazil get French Guiana? It's quite happy being part of France.
7. No independent Catalonia/Navarre? They're pretty likely to abandon ship.
8. When and how did we annex half the Caribbean? They have no desire to be under Washington's yoke (and we'd be crazy to take on Haiti).
9. Why would Australia reannex Papua New Guinea, which has a third of Australia's population?
1. I understand dividing Ukraine, but why along that line? You have Kiev in the Russian client portion, with Crimea (which is by far the least likely part of Ukraine to stick with Ukraine) in the EU.
2. Why would Vojvodina secede?
3. If Pakistan collapses, why not further (independent Sindh, Waziristan, etc)?
4. How did Indonesia and the Philippines carve up Malaysian Borneo?
5. What happened to Algeria?
6. How did Brazil get French Guiana? It's quite happy being part of France.
7. No independent Catalonia/Navarre? They're pretty likely to abandon ship.
8. When and how did we annex half the Caribbean? They have no desire to be under Washington's yoke (and we'd be crazy to take on Haiti).
9. Why would Australia reannex Papua New Guinea, which has a third of Australia's population?
And China?
Oh, and how did Katanga get its independence? And why did Namibia and Zimbabwe join up with South Africa again?
Cheers,
Ganesha
1. The division line is a WIP. I'm currently trying to find a better way to do it, so if anyone has any ideas, I'd be grateful.
2. Lack of research on my part, my bad.
3. I didn't think that there were that many independence movements in Pakistan.
4. During a brief Second Cold War(haven't chosen the combatants yet), Malaysia and Indonesia and the Philippines were on opposing sides, and when a war between the two sides occurred, Malaysia was on the losing side and lost all of it's territories in Borneo.
5. The Arab Spring continues into the 2020s, and hits Algeria. With the south being increasingly Islamist-controlled, the rump northern government let them go to avoid being dragged down. It eventually joined the EU, being the third African member, after Morocco and Tunisia.
6. With the European Space Program developing closer ties with NASA, France's launch pads in South America were used less, and French Guiana lost a lot of money. They became increasingly dependent on trade with Brazil and voted to secede when Europe federalized, but their economy basically collapsed and they were forced to join Brazil to survive.
7. Independence movements in Europe itself n the other hand failed.
8. Another bad idea on my part.
9. Increasing trade and relations, and the first steps towards the formation of an Australasian Union between Anglophone Southeast Asia and the Pacific.
That's not Zimbabwe, that's Botswana. Botswana and Namibia merged with South Africa and Lesotho when the Southern African Community, a sort of South African EU, federalized, following the EU's example. It's one of Africa's greatest powers. And China began experiencing anti-PRC guerrillas in the west and found that it was cheaper and more beneficial to trade, as well as looking better to the UN, to let them be independent puppets.
EDIT: And Katanga broke off from the Congo after another Congo Civil War.
I should've known that question would've come up. That might be a bit too optimistic on my part, but after Palestine becomes independent and the Arab Spring is over, the relations between Israel, Palestine, Jordan and Lebanon have improved quite a bit, and after forming the Eastern Mediterranean Union, Israel, Palestine and Jordan reunited into the Union of Israel-Palestine. Lebanon joined later after it became more stable and prosperous. Another member of the greater EU.
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Tell me how it came about and I'll tell you how realistic I think it sounds.
Basic idea:
After French Guiana joined Brazil, St. Pierre and Miquelon too wanted out of Europe, where they would have very limited representation, especially compared to mainland France, and instead sought closer ties with their largest trading partner and nearby Francophone nation, Canada. Like Guiana, it wasn't able to survive on it's own and requested annexation by Canada, *where they were admitted as a province.
*Of course, that would require a huge population boost.
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Map of the World, 2101
This is my conception of the world as of 2101. What do you think has happened to various countries over the remainder of this century, from what you can see on the map?
This is my conception of the world as of 2101. What do you think has happened to various countries over the remainder of this century, from what you can see on the map?