Osman Reborn; The Survival of Ottoman Democracy [An Ottoman TL set in the 1900s]
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Indeed romania has the potential to get something from each side.
most probably.
Well, Italians failed at taking Libya so only logical idea is trying to get Tunisia from the French by staying loyal to your allies (especially since it actually is a defensive war this time. OTL WW1 was started by A-H declaring war on Serbia but this one started with France declaring on Germany. The Entente are the aggressors in the conflict).
Would also be interesting if they stay out altogether, but realistically I can't see that happening.
While France may be the aggressor in this situation, their cause is far more just then the Germans, that and iotl, the Entente won the propaganda and diplo campaigns really. Then again I imagine having Kaiser Bill will give you like -50 diplomacy.
I'll throw my own predictions into the ring for this as well. By the current set up, a lot depends on whether Britain joins the war or not. I'd assume they will if Germany goes through with the Schlieffen Plan (I don't know if they had any plausible alternatives ready to be deployed at this point otl), though there's reason to doubt the potential effectiveness of it. France is likely to attempt an invasion of Alsace-Lorraine, and with the region crippled by strikes and riots, I wonder if that would tilt things enough for them to pull off a narrow victory. That would certainly be quite the nightmare for the German High Command, especially with their main armies fighting through Belgium.
The Eastern Front is up in the air as well. Russia has more time to prepare, yet its also facing an Austria which needs to focus only on one front and doesn't have a Serbia to try and fail to conquer twice. With Austria focusing on the defensive and Germany focusing on the west, a lot rides on Russia's first offensives.
And finally, I can't see the war going well for Italy if Britain joins. I could be wrong, but I remember reading that Italy was incredibly dependent on British coal imports, which will naturally be gone if they're fighting Britain. Plus, the terrain they're fighting in will hardly be better than what they got to fight an outnumbered Austrian army in otl.
This is all without accounting for the big neutrals of the war, America and the Ottomans.
The Eastern Front is up in the air as well. Russia has more time to prepare, yet its also facing an Austria which needs to focus only on one front and doesn't have a Serbia to try and fail to conquer twice. With Austria focusing on the defensive and Germany focusing on the west, a lot rides on Russia's first offensives.
And finally, I can't see the war going well for Italy if Britain joins. I could be wrong, but I remember reading that Italy was incredibly dependent on British coal imports, which will naturally be gone if they're fighting Britain. Plus, the terrain they're fighting in will hardly be better than what they got to fight an outnumbered Austrian army in otl.
This is all without accounting for the big neutrals of the war, America and the Ottomans.
There's also a question of fundamental interests.
France is not in a position to dominate Europe if it wins. Germany is.
That fact will dominate the strategic planning of Britain, as it had for a decade.
France is not in a position to dominate Europe if it wins. Germany is.
That fact will dominate the strategic planning of Britain, as it had for a decade.
Sorry been busy the last few of days.
Well the economic collapse suits the Ottomans a bit better than most since they have less to loose and great legitimacy among their people for now.
Still the war between France and Germany will get interesting, I have a feeling that Britain will try to support both sides till almost the last minute, that way they stay atop the order.
Though given the Ottoman's recent moves and Russia's aggression I have a feeling they will be dragged into it out of fear they won't get any spoils from the 'Sick man of Europe'', something they will regret.
On the Brightside I very much doubt a major Arab revolt will happen and a ''Jihad bomb'' they tried in the OTL if the worst comes to worst will work far better here given their a strong empire.
Fun fact the first mosque built in Germany was made for the purpose of turning Indian prisoners' against the British empire.
Though I get the feeling the USA will be much more isolationist than OTL, as well as the economic trouble I can't not imagine the Philippines colonies won't cause trouble if they think they can brake away with the economic issues. Issues that will tie them up for WW1.
Well the economic collapse suits the Ottomans a bit better than most since they have less to loose and great legitimacy among their people for now.
Still the war between France and Germany will get interesting, I have a feeling that Britain will try to support both sides till almost the last minute, that way they stay atop the order.
Though given the Ottoman's recent moves and Russia's aggression I have a feeling they will be dragged into it out of fear they won't get any spoils from the 'Sick man of Europe'', something they will regret.
On the Brightside I very much doubt a major Arab revolt will happen and a ''Jihad bomb'' they tried in the OTL if the worst comes to worst will work far better here given their a strong empire.
Fun fact the first mosque built in Germany was made for the purpose of turning Indian prisoners' against the British empire.
Though I get the feeling the USA will be much more isolationist than OTL, as well as the economic trouble I can't not imagine the Philippines colonies won't cause trouble if they think they can brake away with the economic issues. Issues that will tie them up for WW1.
Otto was a great statesman but he was not a prophet (well, in this ATL, I mean).
Also you never know, maybe the WW2 equivalent will start from the Balkans.
if Hoi4 is made in ww1, expect Kaiser Willy's modifier to be -50 Diplomacy.