TL-191: After the End

@floyd22 ”I'm more curious about the fate of Fidel Castro and Che Guevara in this timeline, with the U.S. having annexed Cuba by right of conquest from the C.S.A. Are there any organisations or individuals who advocate Cuban independence, or might the U.S. end up electing a Cuban ~ born President?”

Fidel Castro was a wealthy lawyer who wrote his memoirs as a guerilla fighter and retired to his estate after a successful career as a socialist politician. There’s no indication that he’d want independence, given the destructive war on the island means someone needs to rebuild it as shown by this quote
“August 8, 1946—In a referendum, the citizens of Cuba vote to seek ascension to the Union as a state. Despite the desire of some die-hards for independence, most were simply grateful to be rid of the Freedom Party.

January 1, 1947—Cuba is admitted into the Union. It will be the only former Confederate state to regularly vote for the Socialists.”
Especially after many decades of peaceful prosperity without any reason to go independent, by 2162 the idea of independence would be minus 1% equal to the percentage of Cornwall being independent from England. They already had a Cuban born Sergio Hernandez (SO-CU): February 1st, 2005-February 1st, 2013, he was competent, an crime-buster and was notable for pursuing the Sudan War.

Che Guevara wouldn’t exist because he was born in the late 1920s. In this timeline if you’re a historical person before after 1920 chances are you don’t exist. An anti-imperialist wouldn’t find any power to fight for Canada/Southern/Caribbean independence from the U.S. due to complete lack of outside support, and prosperity weakening independence support.
By that logic, I'm guessing that my friend's beloved kittens, both of whom were born in April this year, and whose historic achievements include leaving our laps covered in cat hair, purr ~ obably don't exist either?

Am I allowed to ask you write a few paragraphs about the 1925 General Strike, please?
 
By that logic, I'm guessing that my friend's beloved kittens, both of whom were born in April this year, and whose historic achievements include leaving our laps covered in cat hair, purr ~ obably don't exist either?

Am I allowed to ask you write a few paragraphs about the 1925 General Strike, please?

This is what I wrote about the analogue in TTL to Stanley Baldwin, which has information on the 1925 General Strike.

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Stanley Baldwin had a roughly similar political career, until the immediate years following the First Great War. In TTL, the British military defeat in the FGW in 1917 also led to the collapse of the wartime coalition between the Conservative Party and the Liberal Party. In the first postwar general election, the Labour Party, led by William Adamson, ultimately triumphed. However, Adamson’s government was weakened by continuing economic problems and growing unrest from the trade unions. The rule of law in Britain was also negatively affected in the immediate postwar years by the appearance of far-right groups, some of which were also led by FGW veterans. Some of these groups were utilized as strike-breakers, while other groups of this nature engaged in street fighting with anyone and any group imagined as an enemy.

During this time, Stanley Baldwin achieved leadership over the Conservative Party, and ultimately led the party to victory in a general election called in 1923. Baldwin focused on attempting to stabilize the British economy, made worse in TTL by reparations demands by the Central Powers. One of the seminal events of Baldwin’s tenure in government was the General Strike of 1925, analogous to our world’s General Strike of 1926.

As in our world, this General Strike affected the coal industry and transport, and was sparked by plans to reduce the wages of coal miners. Unlike in our world, the General Strike of 1925, which resulted in several weeks of disruptions to transportation in the United Kingdom in April-May 1925, was accompanied by a not-insignificant level of violence, both due to the responses by the police towards striking workers, and due to clashes throughout the country between far-right and far-left groups. As in the case of a number of interwar far-right groups, many far-left groups engaged in street violence were originally founded by veterans.

Baldwin’s government was gravely weakened by the 1925 General Strike, with Baldwin himself increasingly blamed by the general public for a breakdown of law and order, persistent economic problems, and the sense of national humiliation. Baldwin also faced a groundswell of anger from within his own party, with some Conservative figures in the government and the media accusing him of failing to take harsher action against the trade unions involved in the General Strike. Some historians have claimed that Winston Churchill’s own radicalization, and subsequent willingness to align himself with the Silver Shirts, can be dated to this period. Baldwin, weakened politically, led the Conservatives to defeat in the general election of 1927, to a resurgent Labour Party led by Ramsay MacDonald.

Baldwin attempted to maintain leadership of the Conservative Party as leader of the opposition to MacDonald’s government. However, he faced constant criticism from a growing number of far-right backbenchers from his own party. The stabilization of the British economy in the late 1920s, facilitated by the renegotiation of reparations to the Central Powers, led some in Britain to speculate that the Labour Party would hold power for some time to come.

It was during this era that Oswald Mosley successfully orchestrated the merger of a large number of smaller far-right groups into the Silver Shirt party.

The 1931 Business Collapse fatally weakened the Labour government. However, Baldwin would be unable to take advantage of these political developments. He was ousted as leader of the Conservative Party in an MP-led revolt led by Winston Churchill, who subsequently made the fateful decision to ally the Conservatives with the Silver Shirts, who appeared to enjoying a surge of support in traditional Conservative constituencies.

Baldwin resigned from Parliament following his ouster as party leader, and played no role in the Conservative-Silver Shirt Coalition that emerged following the 1932 general election. He grew to be horrified by the measures taken by the Coalition against its claimed “enemies” and the sharp curtailment of political freedoms. Baldwin kept his own views private. He died in 1947, and was said to have been a broken man, in the wake of Britain’s defeat in the SGW and the three German superbombings.
 
I'm guessing because Japan ISN'T North Korea. I'm also hoping Kim Jong Un and his family don't exist in this alternate universe.

By 2023, there is an analogue to the Kim family that lives in the Republic of Korea. No members of this family became influential in Korea after the end of the Fourth Pacific War.
 
I'm more curious about the fate of Fidel Castro and Che Guevara in this timeline, with the U.S. having annexed Cuba by right of conquest from the C.S.A. Are there any organisations or individuals who advocate Cuban independence, or might the U.S. end up electing a Cuban ~ born President?

Ernesto Guevara doesn’t exist in TTL.

Lochnessmoonster shared what I already wrote about the analogue to Fidel Castro in TTL in a post on page 274 of this thread.

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The first Cuban American politician to win a U.S. presidential election was Senator Sergio Hernandez of Cuba, of the Socialist Party (2005-2013). Judge Dredd34 also wrote about Hernandez in another post on page 274 of this thread.

By 2023, there aren’t any influential organizations in Cuba that support independence from the United States.
 
Is there an analogue to the cryptid Bigfoot ITTL?

By 2023, the creature has a more malevolent reputation in the United States compared to our world. This is primarily because the mythology around the creature emerged in a late-19th Century and early 20th Century US culture that was shaped by its domestic militaristic society, and the harsh struggles of the North American Wars. There was a place in US popular culture for a fictional enemy with supernatural characteristics.

One early story that ultimately shaped popular images of the creature was one that Theodore Roosevelt recounted in his 1889 book The Wilderness Hunter from an old man named Bauman, who recounted the death of his partner at the hands of a mysterious beast while they were trapping. This story is more or less the same as the tale that Roosevelt included in The Wilderness Hunter in our world. However, because Roosevelt was more famous at this point of his life compared to OTL, this description of the creature also became more widely known, though it was not named in the story.

The creature is known by different names in the United States by 2023, but is most popularly called by the name Skookum, which is derived from a Chinkook Jargon word. Other names for the creature include wild man, hairy man, snow walker, mountain monster, and bigfoot.

Most physical descriptions of the Skookum are similar to those of Sasquatch from OTL, which are that of a tall, hairy, and strong bipedal ape-like creature. Some descriptions of the Skookum give the creatures features of a bipedal and malevolent bear or wolf or cougar. Some descriptions give the creature claws and fangs, though this isn’t a consistent inclusion.

The Skookum gradually became a creature present in popular US horror literature and some popular horror films in the 20th Century. Most depictions of the creature built up its reputation as a bloodthirsty monster that had no place in civilization or nature. Many, though not all of these kinds of stories promoted the theme of a community or band of friends coming together to fight against an existential threat to the common good, or emphasized the theme of being prepared for the dangers of a surprise attack from an unexpected enemy.

The Skookum later became a popular creature in the genre of American Fantasy, along with other mythological creatures such as the hidebehind, the wendigo, the thunderbird, and different kinds of lake monsters. The traditional antagonistic role of the Skookum in popular US culture has continued in the genre of American Fantasy.

By 2023, the most popular fictional depiction of the Skookum in US popular culture is the Wilderness Trilogy, a trio of blockbuster animated American Fantasy films that features the Skookum as one of many foes who are bested by Theodore Roosevelt in the late-19th Century Wild West. The films of this trilogy were Theodore Roosevelt: Wilderness Hunter, released in 2010, Theodore Roosevelt: Wilderness Warrior, released in 2012, and Theodore Roosevelt: Wilderness Conquerer, released in 2014.

By 2023, there has yet to be a popular work of fiction in the United States that doesn’t feature the Skookum as a monster. A film like Harry and the Hendersons from our world would not be well received by a US audience in TTL.
 
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By 2023, the creature has a more malevolent reputation in the United States compared to our world. This is primarily because the mythology around the creature emerged in a late-19th Century and early 20th Century US culture that was shaped by its domestic militaristic society, and the harsh struggles of the North American Wars. There was a place in US popular culture for a fictional enemy with supernatural characteristics.

One early story that ultimately shaped popular images of the creature was as a story that Theodore Roosevelt recounted in his 1889 book The Wilderness Hunter from old man named Bauman who recounted the death of his partner at the hands of a mysterious beast while they were trapping. This story is more or less the same as the tale that Roosevelt included in The Wilderness Hunter in our world. However, because Roosevelt more famous at this point of his life compared to OTL, this description of the creature also became more widely known, though it was unnamed.

The creature is known by different names in the United States by 2023, but is most popularly called by the name Skookum, which is derived from a Chinkook Jargon word. Other names for the creature include wild man, hairy man, snow walker, mountain monster, and bigfoot.

Most physical descriptions of the Skookum are similar to those of Sasquatch from OTL, which are that of a tall, hairy, and strong bipedal ape-like creature. Some descriptions of the Skookum give the creatures features of a bipedal and malevolent bear or wolf or cougar. Some descriptions give the creature claws and fangs, though this isn’t a consistent inclusion.

The Skookum gradually became a creature present in popular US horror literature and some popular horror films in the 20th Century. Most depictions of the creature built up its reputation as a bloodthirsty monster that had no place in civilization or nature. Many, though not all of these kinds of stories promoted the theme of a community or band of friends coming together to fight against an existential threat to the common good, or emphasized the theme of being prepared for the dangers of a surprise attack from an unexpected enemy.

The Skookum later became a popular creature in the genre of American Fantasy, along with other mythological creatures such as the hidebehind, the wendigo, the thunderbird, and different kinds of lake monsters. The traditional antagonistic role of the Skookum in popular US culture has continued in the genre of American Fantasy.

By 2023, the most popular fictional depiction of the Skookum in US popular culture is the Wilderness Trilogy, a trio of blockbuster animated Theodore American Fantasy films that features the Skookum as one of many foes who are bested by Theodore Roosevelt in the late-19th Century Wild West.,The films of this trilogy were Theodore Roosevelt: Wilderness Hunter, released in 2010, Theodore Roosevelt: Wilderness Warrior, released in 2012, and Theodore Roosevelt: Wilderness Conquerer, released in 2014.

By 2023, there has yet to be a popular work of fiction in the United States that doesn’t feature the Skookum as a monster. A film like Harry and the Hendersons from our world would not be well received by a US audience in TTL.
Wow, this was a lot more in-depth than I thought it would be. TTL's Sasquatch being viewed a lot more hostile does fit with the United States' more paranoid and authoritative nature in the early 20th century. Also love the detail of there being an analogue to Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter ITTL. (Are vampires still as popular in media, assuming Dracula or an analogue is still published?)

I also take it that my namesake, the Loch Ness Monster, isn't well-known outside of Scotland. Perhaps there's an analogue near the Rhine or the Danube?
 
Wow, this was a lot more in-depth than I thought it would be. TTL's Sasquatch being viewed a lot more hostile does fit with the United States' more paranoid and authoritative nature in the early 20th century. Also love the detail of there being an analogue to Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter ITTL. (Are vampires still as popular in media, assuming Dracula or an analogue is still published?)

I also take it that my namesake, the Loch Ness Monster, isn't well-known outside of Scotland. Perhaps there's an analogue near the Rhine or the Danube?

By 2023, vampires are not as popular in US fiction compared to our world. They tend to be more popular in the horror fiction of different European nations. Vampires are used almost entirely as antagonists in works of fiction no matter the nation.

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The Loch Ness Monster didn’t gain notoriety in TTL, since a famous hoax photograph claiming to show the creature from our world was never made.

By 2023, there are some claimed lake monsters in the United States that have some fame, such as a creature supposedly living in Lake Champlain. Lake monsters are also popular creatures in the genre of American Fantasy. Unlike creatures such as Skookums, hidebehinds or wendigos, which are portrayed in exclusively antagonistic roles, lake monsters in American Fantasy works of fiction are often portrayed as neutral in nature, though unpredictable in temperament. Within a single story, one lake monster might be portrayed as a helpful guide to the protagonist, while another lake monster might be portrayed as a vicious monster.
 
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By 2023, the creature has a more malevolent reputation in the United States compared to our world. This is primarily because the mythology around the creature emerged in a late-19th Century and early 20th Century US culture that was shaped by its domestic militaristic society, and the harsh struggles of the North American Wars. There was a place in US popular culture for a fictional enemy with supernatural characteristics.

One early story that ultimately shaped popular images of the creature was as a story that Theodore Roosevelt recounted in his 1889 book The Wilderness Hunter from old man named Bauman who recounted the death of his partner at the hands of a mysterious beast while they were trapping. This story is more or less the same as the tale that Roosevelt included in The Wilderness Hunter in our world. However, because Roosevelt more famous at this point of his life compared to OTL, this description of the creature also became more widely known, though it was unnamed.

The creature is known by different names in the United States by 2023, but is most popularly called by the name Skookum, which is derived from a Chinkook Jargon word. Other names for the creature include wild man, hairy man, snow walker, mountain monster, and bigfoot.

Most physical descriptions of the Skookum are similar to those of Sasquatch from OTL, which are that of a tall, hairy, and strong bipedal ape-like creature. Some descriptions of the Skookum give the creatures features of a bipedal and malevolent bear or wolf or cougar. Some descriptions give the creature claws and fangs, though this isn’t a consistent inclusion.

The Skookum gradually became a creature present in popular US horror literature and some popular horror films in the 20th Century. Most depictions of the creature built up its reputation as a bloodthirsty monster that had no place in civilization or nature. Many, though not all of these kinds of stories promoted the theme of a community or band of friends coming together to fight against an existential threat to the common good, or emphasized the theme of being prepared for the dangers of a surprise attack from an unexpected enemy.

The Skookum later became a popular creature in the genre of American Fantasy, along with other mythological creatures such as the hidebehind, the wendigo, the thunderbird, and different kinds of lake monsters. The traditional antagonistic role of the Skookum in popular US culture has continued in the genre of American Fantasy.

By 2023, the most popular fictional depiction of the Skookum in US popular culture is the Wilderness Trilogy, a trio of blockbuster animated Theodore American Fantasy films that features the Skookum as one of many foes who are bested by Theodore Roosevelt in the late-19th Century Wild West.,The films of this trilogy were Theodore Roosevelt: Wilderness Hunter, released in 2010, Theodore Roosevelt: Wilderness Warrior, released in 2012, and Theodore Roosevelt: Wilderness Conquerer, released in 2014.

By 2023, there has yet to be a popular work of fiction in the United States that doesn’t feature the Skookum as a monster. A film like Harry and the Hendersons from our world would not be well received by a US audience in TTL.

By 2023, vampires are not as popular in US fiction compared to our world. They tend to be more popular in the horror fiction of different European nations. Vampires are used almost entirely as antagonists in works of fiction no matter the nation.

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The Loch Ness Monster didn’t gain notoriety in TTL, since a famous hoax photograph claiming to show the creature from our world was never made.

By 2023, there are some claimed lake monsters in the United States that have some fame, such as a creature supposedly living in Lake Champlain. Lake monsters are also popular creatures in the genre of American Fantasy. Unlike creatures such as Skookums, hidebehinds or wendigos, which are portrayed in exclusively antagonistic roles, lake monsters in American Fantasy works of fiction are often portrayed as neutral in nature, though unpredictable in temperament. Within a single story, one lake monster might be portrayed as a helpful guide to the protagonist, while another lake monster might be portrayed as a vicious monster.
So the creatures tend to stick to more of their historical/mythological roots? I actually like that.
 
Wow, this was a lot more in-depth than I thought it would be. TTL's Sasquatch being viewed a lot more hostile does fit with the United States' more paranoid and authoritative nature in the early 20th century. Also love the detail of there being an analogue to Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter ITTL. (Are vampires still as popular in media, assuming Dracula or an analogue is still published?)

I also take it that my namesake, the Loch Ness Monster, isn't well-known outside of Scotland. Perhaps there's an analogue near the Rhine or the Danube?
Oh, you're named after the Loch Ness Monster...darn...I hoped that Nessie herself had somehow managed to find his or her way onto the internet for a brief minute.

What would've happened to Hideki Tojo, the Japanese Prime Minister during the Second World War, and Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, who planned the attack on Pearl Harbour by the Imperial Japanese Navy?

Also, what is the status of Buddhism and Islam in U.S. territories by 2023?
 
On the subject of horror and mythological monsters: How are werewolves and werewolf fiction viewed in the timeline?

By 2023, werewolves are present in horror and fantasy fiction in different nations, including the United States. Werewolves are usually portrayed as monsters to be destroyed, though some fictional werewolves are portrayed as tragic figures who are consumed by an incurable supernatural curse. There were no works of fiction featuring werewolves in the 19th Century or 20th Century in TTL that were analogous to The Werewolf of Paris or The Wolf Man from our world.

In the United States, the popular image of werewolves was shaped by the epic novel Wolf Folk, by which traces the curse of lycanthropy as it’s passed down from person to another over the ages, from the fall of the Western Roman Empire to the United States during the Second Great War. Wolf Folk, which was written by novelist Brian Mahon and published in 1977, associated the curse of lycanthropy and the fate of its victims with war and social chaos. Wolf Folk was also viewed by most US critics as part of the wider American Nihilist cultural wave, though Mahon denied that the novel was intended as nihilist fiction.

By 2023, werewolves are among the creatures present in the genre of American Fantasy, almost always in antagonistic roles. One legacy of Wolf Folk is that werewolves are strongly associated in American Fantasy stories with the destructiveness of war. Unlike, for instance, the portrayals of werewolves in the horror fiction in different European nations, which usually feature them as solitary monsters, werewolves in American Fantasy are often depicted as a marauding army to be defeated by the protagonists.
 
Was Pluto still discovered by Clyde Tombaugh in Flagstaff ITTL? How was Tombaugh's life different compared to OTL?

Pluto is known as Minerva in TTL. It was not discovered by the analogue to Clyde Tombaugh in this world.

The analogue to Clyde Tombaugh in TTL was William Tombaugh, born on a different date compared to our world. Tombaugh, unlike his counterpart from OTL, was able to attend university, where he excelled at mathematics and theoretical physics. Tombaugh was eventually able to attain a teaching and research position at the California Institute of Technology.

After the beginning of the Second Great War, Tombaugh was among those recruited to the US program to build and test a nuclear weapon, and was resettled with other scientists at the research site in Hanford, Washington. Tombaugh survived both the Confederate bombing attack and commando raid against Hanford.

After the end of the Second Great War, Tombaugh returned to his former position at the California Institute of Technology, where he continued teaching until his retirement in 1992. He passed away in 2001.

William Tombaugh had four children, who went on to have different careers. One son became an astronomer and rocket scientist attached to the US space program, one son became a geologist and palaeontologist who specialized on the Cretaceous period and who wrote several popular books on the Western Interior Seaway, one daughter became a chemist and research scientist who also taught at the California Institute of Technology, and one daughter became a palaeontologist who specialized on the prehistoric animals discovered in the La Brea Tar Pits.
 
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