9/10, Sirius didn’t live 😞 hopefully Remus and Tonks did
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Cover for an American release of the book.
The changes come about in the first book(which is never renamed The Philosopher's Stone in the US). Harry's parents are mentioned to have stolen the Philosopher's Stone. Harry later finds the small stone in the bag of gold his parent's left him and it is implied to be why the Potters became extremely rich. Hermione is in Ravenclaw and is mentioned to have a younger sister. Dean Thomas is given more of a backstory, his biological father was a wizard killed for refusing to join Voldemort, but Dean's mother just thought he abandoned her.
Chamber of Secrets carries more foreshadowing(which it almost did but the editor told her to cut it out and Rowling was not yet popular enough to ignore this, here she is). This prevents Half-Blood Prince from being Exposition heavy. There is an extra chapter called "Malfoy and Nott" in which there is a meeting between said characters. Theodore Nott comes with his father to Malfoy Manor to discuss whatever Death Eaters discuss, only for the boys to get kicked out of the discussion and have one of their own about Voldemort, the Death Eaters and The Boy Who Lived. Draco is actually shown respecting someone as his equal, because they were just as good students as each other and came from "elite" families. The book also revealed Nearly Headless Nick's backstory told in rhyme. Penelope Clearwater is also introduced as a fifth year.
Goblet of Fire contains a female character named Mafalda(not the Ministry of Magic employee who doesn't exist ITTL). She is the "black Sheep cousin" of the Weasleys, the daughter of the accountant squib relative Ron mentioned to Harry in Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone: extremely badly-behaved, unpleasant to be around, nosy and loose-tongued, and to top it off, being sorted into Slytherin. She was the first real rival to Hermione. She also desires to be a reporter. Rowling initially had trouble introducing her but it was decided she was a student of Beauxbatons(She takes the role of OTL Rita Skeeter as a result).
In Order of the Phoenix, Anthony Goldstein is introduced as a Hufflepuff.
View attachment 624042In Deathly Hallows, a subplot involving Ice cream parlour owner Florean Fortescue, who is kidnapped and then rescued by Harry, Hermione and Ron, providing them clues about the Elder Wand and Ravenclaw Diadem(was cut OTL but explains why the shop closing and Fortescue's kidnapping get so much attention in Half-Blood Prince). Rolf Scamander(Luna's Future husband) appears in the book and is the one to explain The Tale of the Three Brothers. The epilogue contains details of the lives of the main trio(while all had children it receives less attention). The Epilogue also revealed Dudley had a muggle-born wizard child for added irony. Harry and Hermione end up getting together.
Florean Fortescue.
Harry Potter and the Curse Child was written by JK Rowling and includes much of the information later mentioned by Rowling. Rather than involving time travel, it involves a new threat, a witch called Delphi with no connection to Voldemort. Harry and Hermione both have affairs that form part of the plot. Rowling's behavior in general is different. She does not reveal facts unless asked and responds vaguely("There are many Jewish wizards at Hogwarts"). She also admits she gets birth dates and numbers mixed up and doesn't answer question like those. She also revealed Nagini was never a woman. Hermione is not retconned as being black though Rowling admits to having no problem if she is cast as a black actress.
Universal Studios Shop Promoting Nintendo's Harry Potter Video Game Series(Fittingly located between the Wizarding World and Nintendo World).
Prior to Films
Before the Films, Nintendo was interested in developing a video game adaptation of the original book, initially aiming to provide a very British-oriented take in line with J.K. Rowling's wishes. Nintendo of Japan began to drift away from the British-orientation and brought it towards a Japanese friendly version that took considerable liberties from the source material, turning it into what became known as "Japanese Harry Potter" similar to the Animated "American Harry Potter" version. The Japanese Harry Potter series benefitted from being allowed to diverge from the source material and so gameplay and fun was prioritized, turning the Boy Wizard into a popular Nintendo series in its own right. Nintendo's Harry Potter later appeared in Super Smash Bros.
Bruce Springsteen wrote the song "I'll Stand By You Always" a ballad between 1998 and 2000, which he was inspired to write after reading the books to his son Sam. Bruce made the song available to Director Terry Gilliam and included in the first film.
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Fanart of the Characters from the Animated Harry Potter series, by Stephen Byrne on Instagram.
Terry Gilliam was handpicked by Rowling to direct Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. Steven Spielberg was also considered but he wanted the film to be animated in CG. Steven Spielberg would go onto make his animated Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone film with Haley Joel Osment as Harry. Spielberg made only the first film before handing it off to other directors. it is sometimes called American Harry Potter. The Animated Severus Snape was voiced by Christopher Lee. Tim Roth was cast in the Live Action film(OTL he was playing General Thade in Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes, which does not exist ITTL, however he does not play Snape so as to keep Alan Rickman's excellent performance.). Rowling lifted her ban on British actors and so Robin Williams played Hagrid), Rosie O'Donnell played Molly Weasley, and Drew Barrymore also had a role. The character of Peeves appears in the film, played by Rik Mayall. The Movie is generally more fantastical and include Snape's trial to get the Philosopher's stone(while the scene could have been boring as its a puzzle involving which potions to drink in which order, Gilliam made it fun by having the potions have interesting effects on the drinkers).
For Chamber of Secrets, Terry Gilliam returned to direct. Frank Oz was offered to direct but had no interest, though he did provide the practical effects for Dobby the House elf. Madam Hooch mad a return( Zoe Wanamaker being paid more than OTL and so taking the role). Hugh Grant played Gildreoy Lockhart. The film included the Deathday party scene, Hermione getting a get well soon card from Lockhart, and Ginny seeing Harry with the diary.
Terry Gilliam did not return to direct Prisoner of Azkaban, Kenneth Branagh was offered to direct but declined as he would be directing his ex-wife Emma Thompson. Guillermo del Toro directed the film instead(OTL he declined as the movie's world didn't fit his darker perspective of the books, Terry Gilliam made the movies a bit darker than OTL so he accepts). Ian McKellen took over for Dumbledore after Richard Harris's passing(Yes he was seriously considered and declined because it wouldn't have felt right. Harris hated McKellen until his dying breath because he had wanted to play Gandalf and McKellen stole that role, considering Dumbledore to be the lesser of the roles. Here Harris never said any of that since he played Gandalf in the Hobbit first and was not replaced in the role by McKellen until after he had already died. McKellen thus jumps directly into the Dumbledore role after the Gandalf role). Fan theories abound that Gandalf eventually changed his named Dumbledore and is in fact immortal. Even more jokes are made about characters from the Harry Potter and Lord of the rings franchises meeting. Peter O'Toole was considered for the role but could not carry out the action scenes the role required in the later books. O'Toole did however voice Dumbledore in the Animated films. The new film also goes into detail about why Harry's patronus is a stag.
Guillermo Del Toro returned to direct Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. Percy Weasley appeared in the film(Chris Rankin getting a five movie deal instead of the four he got). Henry Cavill played Cedric Diggory(OTL Potter fans campaigned Cavill for the role but he lost it to Robert Pattinson and funny enough was also up or the role of Edward Cullen in Twilight as the author Stephanie Meyer actually pictured him in the role when writing. He once again lost the role to Robert Pattinson. Here Twilight does not exist so Cavill got at least one over one Cullen). The Band Franz Ferdinand were huge fans of the series and appeared to play the Weird Systers, along with Jarvis Cocker of Pulp(OTL this did not happen due to a law suit by the Canadian folk rock band Wyrd Sisters. Cocker made a full album with guests such as Iggy Pop being included.
In the film itself, Winky the Elf appears, as does the lengthy plot between the Weasley twins and Ludo Bagman, played by Maritn Landham. There is an added scene in which Tom Felton is changed back to normal after being turned into a ferret and is naked, causing him to run off in embarassment, to the delight of fan girls.
For Order of the Phoenix, Del Toro returned to direct(pushing back Hellboy II: The Golden Army). Bellatrix Lestrange is still played by Helena Bonham Carter. Anna Friel played Nymphadora Tonks. Saoirse Ronan played Luna. There is a cameo from English footballer Theo Walcott. The St.Mungo's scene is included, complete with Hugh Grant reprising his role as Gilderoy Lockhart. Sirius's death scene is as it happens in the book. Radcliffe's performance caused multiple actors to cry on set.
Del Toro returned to direct Half Blood Prince. Bob Hoskins played Horace Slughorn. Kevin McKidd played Fenrir Greyback. Naomi Watts played Narcissa Malfoy. All the Voldemort flashbacks from the book are included. The appearance of the Carrow twins tied into Draco Malfoy traveling between the Vanishing Cabinet in Hogwarts and the one in Borgin and Burkes.
Del Toro returned to direct the last two installments. John Williams returned to do the score. Billy Connolly played Florean Fortescue in a minor role. Kate Winslet played the Grey Lady. Crabbe is killed in the same way as in the book, a victim of Fiendfyre(this is due to the actor playing Crabbe not beinf caught with Marijuana). In the final scene, Draco tossed his wand to Harry after he revealed himself to be alive, allowing him to fight Voldemort.
After the films the series lived on through Pottermore. The book Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find them introduced the Lethifold, which appeared briefly attacking Harry in actual films. There was a Michael Jackson made Harry Potter Musical made(Along with Starkid's A Very Potter Musical now having much more to make fun of thanks to Michael Jackson's inclusion).
Post Films
Following the release of Fantastic Beasts and Where to find them. A Second film was released Dumbledore and Grindelwald. Which focused solely on the relationship between the two Wizards, featuring no characters from Fantastic Beasts(Johnny Depp never went through the Amber Heard controversy and they divorced earlier so no one is uncomfortable with Depp's presence, though he does not advertise the film at Comic Con).The film concludes with Grindelwald's defeat in 1945. The next film is planned to be Marauders. A film about the titular group with Martin Freeman playing Peter Pettigrew and Tom Hiddleston playing a young Snape. It concerns the group going on an adventure as Voldemort is beginning to rise.
Trying to Please Everyone: Or Converting multiple Pop Culture Utopias into a Timeline.
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Sorry. I chose to preserve Author intent over fan wishes on this one(though it reverses once the series is done as JK Rowling keeps her mouth shut on Twitter). Sirius's death is actually even more tragic as a book accurate death was filmed that made all the actors cry(even Helena Bonham Carter). Here that is kept in. Remus and Tonks still die as Rowling intended those deaths to effectively create another orphan who lost their parents in a war. Also Rowling killed Remus because in their eyes it was either him or Arthur Weasley, which Rowling didn't want to kill. So you'd have the choice of saving Remus but killing Arthur(and possibly sparing Fred).
Nice updates, highly doubt you'll see this, but could you do one related to Horror/Slasher movies in general?
Batman in Film: Before Burton(1942-1983)
Batman: 1942-1983
"Batman created by Bill Finger and Bob Kane."
- Disclaimer included in every work of media depicting Batman.
Conrad Veidt as the Joker, 1943 Batman Serial.
Art of Clint Eastwood as Two-Face
Batman remained popular throughout the 50's, however he came under fire somewhat by critics about allegations of moments implying Batman and Robin were sleeping with each other and Robin was a minor(due to panels in which they share a bed). It was made more clear they had a father and son relationship. Then in the 1966 a Batman TV series was made with a campy tone starring Adam West as Batman and Burt Ward as Robin. The Series was originally on ABC but was cancelled, later being picked up by NBC for a fourth season(OTL this did not happen as the sets were destroyed). The Series even crossed over with the Green Hornet, even having Kato defeat Robin in battle(while Batman defeated the Green Hornet), however the battle between Batman and Kato(or rather Bruce Lee) was left inconclusive. The series even an episode in which George Reeves guest starred as Superman(His death not happening ITTL) in two episodes. The word got around that being on the show was a good time and few actors took it seriously, the rare exception probably being Clint Eastwood in the darkest episodes(written by Harlan Ellison) playing Two Face and playing it damn straight. In addition to the series, there was also two films: Batman: The Movie and the crossover film Batman vs Godzilla, along with a short lived Batgirl spinoff series.
Going into the 70's Batman's popularity began to wane. He and Robin appeared in a crossover episode of the 1975 Wonder Woman series, but there was little else besides cameos and crossovers in which he was no longer the star attraction. CBS produced a made for TV movie titled Batman in Outer Space, which is responsible for the infamous "Batman Can Breathe in Space" argument among fans of the character who believe he can beat anyone. The film features Batman's enemies stealing a rocket and attacking a Space station in a nod to science fiction films of the time, which included a Lightsaber battle between Batman and the Joker. Producers Michael Usland and Benjamin Melniker purchased the film rights to the character from DC and intended to return him to his original and more comic accurate roots. The film was difficult to pitch as most studios wanted something campy. Producer Jon Peter and Casablanca Film Works joined in. A full script titled Return of the Batman was written but that title would not be used to avoid confusions of continuity with the Adam West version. It would instead by called simply Batman, often Batman 79' by fans. The film was made in the style of the Christopher Reeves Superman Movies, though less whimsical in tone. Clint Eastwood was chosen to play Batman, a choice made as he was well known as the most serious part of the 66' Batman series, and his casting had the effect that this was not the 60's Batman but the 70's Batman. A bold choice was made to feature a newer Batman villain, Ra's Al Ghul. Al Ghul was threatening Gotham City in the film's plot and Batman needed to travel the world to defeat him and his League of Assassins. Ra's Al Ghul was played by Christopher Lee, though his henchman Ubu was given a bigger role as the physical threat for the Dark Knight. The film included a comic accurate scene of a shirtless Clint Eastwood engaging in a swordfight with Ra's Al Ghul (being ITTL's version of his role as Fu Manchu in The Face of Fu Manchu). During the film, Batman would be captured and forced to escape from Ras Al Ghul's prison, with filming taking place in Kilmainham Gaol Prison(While this is where The Face of Fu Manchu was filmed, the film is basically replacing OTL Escape from Alcatraz for Clint Eastwood so here he gets an "Escape from this Prison is impossible" portion of the film and we can see this as the ITTL version of the pit from The Dark Knight Rises).
Martin Scorsese often criticized the rising Superhero films, seeing them as ascended B Movies and the equivalent of a meal with only fat and no meat. Someone suggested to him that they'd like to see him do better. The Schoolyard taunt was evidently taken to heart. Scorsese began plans to make a low budget film, intending it to be a dark take on a Comic character with a clear expy of a classic fictional character, to his surprise he was given the chance to choose a character from DC's catalogue. He unexpectedly chose a villain and began his production of Joker. Robert De Niro was immediately cast in the lead role, something that surprised no one in Hollywood. The film was originally intended to have its Joker fight Clint Eastwood's Batman but this was scrapped and it became a stand alone film instead. Scorsese reimagined the Joker as a struggling Comedian with mental health issues who lived with his mother. Like the protagonist of Scorsese's earlier film Taxi Driver, the Joker character slowly goes insane from the world around him spiraling out of control. He has a girlfriend who is his rock to reality and tries to help him see reason. She records one of his performances and, thinking he is genuinely good, sends it to his favorite talk show host Jerry Langford(played by Jerry Lewis), who mocks the tape, leading to the two breaking up and the future Joker spiraling into further madness. He is finally invited to meet his idol Jerry Langford on his talk show, when he and Langford get into an intense argument when he reveals his crimes on live TV, leading to the protagonist shooting Langford in the face and being arrested. The film was the hit of 1982, once more surprising no one given Scorsese's track record(Yes I know this borders on alien Space Bats but I couldn't resist. This film replaces OTL The King of Comedy. So instead of getting Joker, a good film compared to Martin Scorsese films like Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy, we get a literal Martin Scorsese film, replacing one of the movies it's been accused of ripping off. Also just FYI there's no Thomas Wayne in this film due to the setting of 1982 being contemporary. His role in the film if he has one is likely taken by Harvey Den't, District Attorney running for Mayor who gets acid splashed in his face by rioters instigated by the Joker. Also adding this later but two scenes likely included in this film are "How About another Joke, Jerry?" and Goodfellas's "Funny How. Funny like I'm a clown." scene, which makes too much sense to not be included here).
As this self contained film was released, the sequel to Batman, titled The Return of Batman was released a year later. The film would cover the origins of Robin in this new continuity and be largely based off the 1977 storyline Batman: Strange Apparitions by Steve Englehart and Marshall Rogers. Rogers would do the concept art for the film. The story featured crimelord Rupert Thorne and the Joker(played once more by Al Pacino) in the story. Silver St.Cloud would be introduced as a love interest for Batman. William Holden played James Gordon. David Niven played Alfred Pennyworth(neither having appeared in the previous film, which focused largely on Batman and Ra's Al Ghul. As it happens both would have to be recast as both actors passed away, Holden in 1981 and Niven in 1983, meaning they would not see the film's release in 83'(intentionally after Scorsese's Joker had been released). Joker does appear but very briefly at Scorsese's insistence. He kills the main antagonist Hugo Strange before he can reveal Batman's identity as Bruce Wayne, both not wanting to know and enjoying fighting Batman too much to see him gone. Peter O'Toole appeared as the Penguin. Tom Mankiewicz had written the script. Michael J.Fox was cast as Robin under the directing of Ivan Reitman. The plot involved Dick Grayson losing his parents to mobsters, being adopted by Batman and joining his war on crime in order to stop a gang war between the Penguin and Rupert Thorne with Hugo Strange being revealed as the main antagonist. The adopting of Dick Grayson and him being unmasked leading to Strange discovering Batman's identity shortly before his death at the hands of the Joker in his surprise appearance, emerging from the shadows to shoot and kill Strange.
The Film did well but behind the scenes problems arose. Scorsese didn't want his Joker featured in other films and the Joker was deemed too important to leave out of the series. He would have to be recast. They also had two replace two of the now late actors. DC's Crisis on Infinite Earths was about to be released, effectively rebooting the DC Comics Universe. DC thought that this new direction warranted a new direction in the films as well and with it a new Director. Clint Eastwood did not return to play Batman. A new Batman film was set to be released in 1986 with Director Tim Burton at the helm. His choice of Batman Actor, Michael Keaton, was controversial. He was a comedy film actor. There was no way he could play a convincing Batman, many thought, until the world saw Batman 86'.
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"How bout' another Joke Jerry?"
Also Goodfellas doesn't exist yet so Joker could literally use the "Funny how? Funny like I'm a Clown. Like I'm here to amuse you?" scene.
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Unrelated, but do you have anything prepared for stuff on the Internet? Specifically stuff like webseries and webcomics?
I do but I was thinking of touching on that almost last since some web comics are to some extent fanfiction, which would be different in this universe. I actually started writing up what Darths and Droids would look like in this Universe given how different the Star Wars films are.
Batman: The Burton Years(1986-1997)
Michael Keaton as Batman in 1986.
Batman: The Burton Years(1986-1997)
The Sequel Batman Returns was released in 1989. It was Burton's insistence to cast Danny Devito as the Penguin. Sean Young wanted to return to play Vicki Vale but Burton wanted to use Catwoman. Young showed up in a homemade Catwoman costume, giving Burton the inspiration to rewrite Vick Vale and give her Catwoman's origin. Burgess Meredith cameo'd as the Penguin's father. Billy Dee Williams reprised his role from the first film as Harvey Dent, who became the target for the Penguin while pursuing political ambitions. The film ended with half his face being burned(OTL Harvey Dent was replaced by Max Shreck). Penguin was accompanied by the Red Triangle Gang, the former gang of the Joker now working for him. The Gang has more members than shown, such as a ringmaster with poison-tipped gauntlets, a duo with razor sharp metal blades encrusted into their heads like mohawks, a teenage clown with a neon medallion that read "CIRKUS" replacing the stun gun clown, and a group of clowns dressed like firefighters who operate a fire-engine that shot napalm (in a possible dark twist on the clown scene from Dumbo).The film contains more allusions to the first film, including Bruce proposing to Vick Vale and pieces of the Bat Plane being sold at a souvenir store, along with mention of the Joker's death. It is revealed in the film that Penguin and Dent are brothers. Dent left his family after they abandoned his baby brother(OTL original idea, which explains the Penguin's plan a little more and why he wants to kill Gotham's first born. Which he does not wish to do here, his goal being competing with Dent). Penguin's thugs invade the tree lighting ceremony and took Dent, the Mayor and Vicki Vale hostage. Batman made his way up to the penthouse to save them, leaving the Batmobile in an alley and forgetting to put up the shields on the car. This allows Penguin's thugs to take photographs of the Batmobile, allowing them to control it(explaining how he got them in the original film). The film killed off the Penguin(though portrayed him as a direct villain rather than attempting to make him sympathetic at all). Dent was scarred at the film's conclusion(though not by Catwoman but by Penguin's scheme).
The Second film was much darker and was a success following the release of Watchmen. An adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns was planned but would take time to materialize. Burton's second outing was not as well received. Burton was at least allowed to choose his successor. He chose Sam Raimi to bring to life his film ideas for Batman Continues. Michael Keaton would remain as Batman. Robin Williams was cast as the Riddler with Billy Dee Williams returning as Two Face. The choice was made to include Robin with Marlon Wayans being cast, a hold over from Tim Burton's plans for the character. Sean Young returned as Catwoman. Burton added another villain in the Scarecrow, played by Christopher Walken. Raimi loved the inclusion of this villain as it gave him a way of justifying his own creepy imagery ideas, something which Burton would also pitch ideas for. The film is much gorier than OTL in some parts such as pools of blood and blood writing on the walls. Two Face also had two henchwomen named Lather and Lace(not renamed OTL due to having no McDonalds tie in). Batman Continues was released in 1992. However, while it was not a bad film, a common complaint was too many villains and so it was decided that four was the maximum number of villains allowed.
Michael Keaton, Marlon Wayans, Sam Raimi and Tim Burton returned for Batman & Robin in 1995. The film's new villain was Mister Freeze, played by Patrick Stewart. Poison Ivy was also introduced. In a twist on the normal formula, the two villains hated each other and their war was the main conflict as Gotham was caught between being frozen(in a horrific manner which kills the frozen individual, leaving them a shattered husk) or being overwhelmed by Killer Plants. The film also introduced Barbara Gordon, played by Olivia d'Abo. Raimi shot down the idea to use Bane, believing to save him for the main antagonist of his own film and because it would risk the previous film's complaint of having too many villains. Catwoman did not appear in this film as she was actually featured in a spin off directed by Tim Burton, Sean Young did not return. Instead Michelle Pfeifer played Catwoman in the Spinoff, whcih was released the same year as Batman and Robin to explain why she was not in the film.
Harley Quinn is reborn in Batman Triumphant.
The Fifth and final film, Batman Triumphant, was released in 1997.For the intended last film in the franchise, Tim Burton returned to direct. The Scarecrow returned along with Jerry Hall, who reprised her role as Alicia Hunt, who's death was retconned away, having only been mentioned in the original Batman. She was now reworked into Harley Quinn, with flashbacks put in showing her work as a mob psychiatrist talking to Jack Napier, played once again by Jack Nicholson. Napier's Joker also returned via Scarecrow fear gas. This was essentially a way of redeeming the character after his appearance was considered too brief in Batman Continues. Martin Short was introduced as Man-Bat, who was transformed by the Scarecrow's experiments. Man Bat being used to frame Batman in the film's plot.
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Superman in Film:(1941-1998)
Superman in Film & TV: 1941-1998
"With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility"
-Superman
Common Joke among Superhero fans.
Superman first saw representation outside of media in the Fleischer Cartoons that ran from 1941 to 1943. This clashed with an effort to adapt Superman into a Serial format by Republic Pictures, which mimicked their technique on The Adventures of Captain Marvel for flight scenes(OTL those scenes were animated and are considered the worst part for how out of place they look). The Serial features Clark Kent's father saying the words "Because of these great powers - your speed and strength, your x-ray vision and super-sensitive hearing - you have a great responsibility." which many noted similarities to Spider-Man's "With Great Power Comes Great responsibility" used fourteen years later. This has been ruled out as either coincidence since the fist issue of Spider-Man mentions the words in narration and they were later attributed to Uncle Ben or that Stan Lee simply forgot he had heard them before. This led to a popular joke online about "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" being a quote revolving around Superman. This came full circle in the Superman and Spider-Man 1977 Comic crossover where the use of the phrase was acknowledged. Superman was then played by George Reeves in television and one film, along with several cameo appearances, including in the 1978 film. The Superman radio series and the Fleischer cartoons both featured Superman fighting a thinly veiled version of the Klu Klux Klan called the Clan of the Fiery Cross.
Telly Savalas as Lex Luthor
Elliot S.Maggin wrote a book titled Superman: Last Son of Krypton, which became a bestseller due to the coincidence of being released at around the same time as the Film, it was actually an early treatment for the film and DC got egg on their face when they tried suing, not knowing Maggin's involvement on the treatment. To Compensate, DC promised to allow Maggin to write Superman III alongside Donnor(Superman I and II were made at the same time and so there was not enough time for rewrites), and so Maggin was brought on to have a hand in the creation of Superman III. His novel had also mentioned the Xerox company directly and DC was afraid of being sued, however, this only led Xerox to buy fifty thousand copies for their company book club. Xerox had previously worked with DC's Rival Marvel due to the Mutant character Xerox being a recurring figure.
On Superman II, Richard Donner was nearly fired as Director, but kept on when Brando protested and so Donner got his version(The closest equivalent TTL's version is the real life Donner Cut years later, however even that is different as Donnor does not use the "travel back in time" idea again. The only reason that was included was because Donner had it in Superman II but moved it to Superman I to give that film more of a climax). Henry Fonda plays the part of the President of the Unites States(OTL he didn't because of failing health). This is possibly a nod to the film Fail Safe in which Fonda also played an unnamed President. Jor-El permanently faded away for good in the film to restore Superman's abilities, meaning Brando would not return.
Dudley Moore, the actor who played Mxyzptlk
A spinoff film, Supergirl, was made to serve as a continuation, with Christopher Reeve making a cameo. The film centered on Supergirl, who goes off into space, believing Brainiac is not dead. It is revealed she was correct as she discovers he only sent his mind to Earth through space while he remained behind. Supergirl then battles to help save the many worlds he has captive. For a Spinoff film, This proved to be the most expensive Superman film at the time.
Superman IV, was clear to all to be the last film in the series. By this point the Alan Moore story Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" had been released and it was discovered that since that story was an end to the Pre Crisis Superman, it would serve as an end to a version of Superman based on him. DC seemed to be intending to reboot every franchise after Crisis on Infinite Earths and it seemed fitting for Superman to have the same be done as well. Each member of the main cast would return for a final time, however Mxyzptlk was dead and so could not be the film's climactic villain. Instead Darkseid was brought in. To tie him into the plot, it was revealed that Brainiac had been collecting worlds in the last two films in a misguided attempt to protect them from destruction at Darkseid's hands. The original book's two villain plots against Superman were reworked into plots by Lex Luthor, including getting a sample of Superman's DNA to clone him, resulting in the creation of Bizarro, and the orchestrating an attack on the Daily Planet with action figures that leads to Superman's identity being revealed to the public. Luthor then goes to search for Brainiac's remains, finding his head, which suddenly comes to life and possesses him. Brainiac has now gone mad and allied with Darkseid due to his hatred of Superman and Supergirl. Brainiac-Luthor attacks the Fortress of Solitude, destroying it. Brainiac-Luthor is then easily defeated due to Luthor being mercy killed and rigor mortis preventing Brainiac from controlling his body any further. Darkseid then invades Earth, leading into a final battle in which he is defeated. Given Crisis on Infinite Earths, it was expected Supergirl would die, instead, the film shocked everyone by killing off Christopher Reeves as Superman, who sacrifices himself to destroy Darkseid. The film had a Soundtrack album released as well.
Nicholas Cage as Superman during Costume tests
It was decided to reboot the character for a 1998 Film release, the 60th anniversary of Superman. This would be done with a film titled Superman Lives which dealt with Superman's resurrection, and his battle with a returned Brainiac as well. Christopher Reeves did not want to return and so Nicholas Cage was cast as Superman. Sandra Bullock played Lois Lane. Christopher Walken returned as Brainiac. Tim Burton would direct and Jon Peter Produced. Lex Luthor also returned, albeit as a possessed undead figure played by Kevin Spacey due to Telly Savalas having passed away and Doomsday was introduced as a Superweapon created by Brainiac and Darkseid to kill Superman. The film also introduced L-Ron, Brainiac's robotic assistant, voiced by Dwight Ewell. Smith turned down some of Burton's other elements. Michel Keaton cameo'd as Batman at Superman's funeral. This would set up the later Batman vs Superman film. The film concerned Superman's resurrection in a black costume before changing into his classic costume.
Superman Film Series
Superman(1978)
Superman II(1980)
Superman III(1983)
Supergirl(1984)
Superman IV(1987)
Superman Lives(1998)
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What will happen to Shaun of the Dead and the rest of the Cornetto Trilogy in this universe?
At this point there are no plans for them but when I get to film, they might change somehow. Honestly I see them as pretty good as is and don't see a reason to change them unless we add a few cancelled films or details that would arguably improve the film.
Will anything significant happen to Valve and Garry's Mod ITTL?
What about creepypasta?
What about creepypasta?
Well for one thing Valve will learn how to count to 3, and Creepy Pastas in general will be better. Though I really won't know until I dive into research.
Creepypasta is pretty diverse, so there will be alot of interesting stories to discover and read about.
Does that include a edgy JTHM-Joker rip-off that wants you to go to sleep?