So for those who do not know, Richmond Palace got fire in 1497, when nearly all of the Tudor family was there, (Only Arthur wasn't present). Thankfully the family escaped. But what if the fire had been worse or the Tudors present hadn't been as lucky? Let's say Henry VII, Elizabeth of York, Princess Margaret and Prince Henry all get caught in the fires while Princess Mary and Margaret Beaufort escape? What would Arthur's regency look like? Could propaganda accuse Perkin Warbeck and Edward Plantagenet be blamed for the fire? What happens to Catherine? Would the Catholic Monarchs be willing to betroth their daughter to a child King when there are plenty of pretenders running around?
What if Henry VII and others died Richmond Palace fire of 1497?
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I’m not 100% sure but I think they were gone by now. Their Father died in 1497 anyways.
Definitely I could imagine later propaganda blaming them for the fire.
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I know absolutely nothing about this thread but I suppose that Arthur wouldn't die as young (they'd make sure he would be kept safe at least until he had a male heir). He would probably still marry Catherine as the Spanish would gain even greater influence over England (with the death of Arthur's parents). If that's not the cause of the marriage, the interests of the regents would be (as they are likely to gain from an alliance with Spain against France).
I can definitely see Edward Plantagent and others being blamed for the fire (with propaganda they could use the fire as an excuse for treason and get rid of them and rivals for the throne).
I'm not sure about Arthur's regency, but I suspect Margaret Beaufort would be included (as she was his grandmother and arguably the one who made the Tudor dynasty possible).
His reign would probably last from 1497 - 1551 thereby dying at the age of 65 and having reigned for 54 years (most of the Tudors died at an old age for their time).
Religion wise - England would probably remain Catholic (at least for another century).
Economy wise - it would probably be bette as Arthur wasn't interested in wars and an alliance with Spain would be an economic advantage (at least for Arthur's reign).
Succession - if they still marry in 1501 and have children then there won't be a succession crisis like under Henry 8th in OTL.
That's all I have to say (regarding the fact that I have no knowledge about this thread but a huge passion for the Tudors)
I can definitely see Edward Plantagent and others being blamed for the fire (with propaganda they could use the fire as an excuse for treason and get rid of them and rivals for the throne).
I'm not sure about Arthur's regency, but I suspect Margaret Beaufort would be included (as she was his grandmother and arguably the one who made the Tudor dynasty possible).
His reign would probably last from 1497 - 1551 thereby dying at the age of 65 and having reigned for 54 years (most of the Tudors died at an old age for their time).
Religion wise - England would probably remain Catholic (at least for another century).
Economy wise - it would probably be bette as Arthur wasn't interested in wars and an alliance with Spain would be an economic advantage (at least for Arthur's reign).
Succession - if they still marry in 1501 and have children then there won't be a succession crisis like under Henry 8th in OTL.
That's all I have to say (regarding the fact that I have no knowledge about this thread but a huge passion for the Tudors)
Arthur is definitely going to live here, him catching the sweat was mostly because of some bad luck. Catherine marrying Arthur is put in question. In otl Warbeck and Warwick were killed due to the threat they posed to Arthur and hence their daughter. Not sure if the Catholic Monarchs would accept that risk here.
100%, they’ll say it’s a part of a conspiracy and executions will happen very soon, probably as soon as they forge fake letters and more.
I am currently thinking it will involve his Godfathers, the Earls of Derby, Oxford and Arundel and his Uncles via blood and marriage, the Marquess of Dorset and the Earls of Devon, Surrey and others. Margaret Beaufort will probably also play a role since Derby was her husband.
Him leaving to 65 is a bit of a stretch IMO. Maybe he dies in 1549?
It probably does stay Catholic since Arthur will probably get a son out.
Arthur was taught how to rule and administer a Kingdom so he’s so well economically speaking.
If Arthur and Catherine to marry in 1501 and have children the succession is perfectly safe.
No problem. I also have a passion for the Tudors.
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I would also like to mention that Margaret, not Mary is the most likely to live as she was the eldest of Henry's children at the palace (aged 8 while Mary wasn't even 2 yet). Margaret Beaufort also lives for the sake of this thread.
Yes but then again seeing how this affects Mary and Arthur’s relationship would be fun!
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Also, Arthur dying 2 years younger (1549) isn't a stretch but 1551 is? You might as well make him live to 65 as Elizabeth 1st in OTL died at 70, Henry 8th died at 55 (despite all his health problems), and Margaret Beaufort died aged 66.
I suppose, but his Father Henry VII loved to 52, his maternal Grandmother died at 55, his sister Margaret died at 54, Mary I died at 52 etc. 50s seem to be the average life expectancy for the Tudors.