Who's The Doctor? A TL

[DAv]

Interesting update!

It would seem Elder Scrolls, and Fallout are dead before release.

Britain has had classification for a long time, and less moral panic- would some game devolpment shift over here and therefore some franchises we know still get made?

Elder Scrolls and Fallout, at least in the form that we know them, shan't be making an appearance. Although Quake might take some on some of those elements from the games as the years go by. Looking at the game list, you can probably see that it taking place in a real city changes the tone somewhat.

And Britain will be the location for many of those who want more creative freedom, or, in the case of one very famous Japanese series, just looking for a publisher.

 

[DAv]

Part Thirty: Hit It:

“It was a year after Ghostbusters had ended when the idea started to take form. John had finished his second stint in rehab and we were both eager to take on a project. Him, John Landis and I were spending the weekend over at my place when the suggestion came up for the Blues Brothers. It had been nearly ten years since we'd worked on the first movie and it had a lot of memories for us, good and bad. We got to talking and managed to quickly come up with a premise that would carry the story while we'd let the music do the rest.”
- Extract from an interview with Dan Aykroyd, 2008

“So, we getting everyone back together?”

“And a few new faces too.”

“New?”

“Well, Eric Clapton for a start.”
- Conversation between John Landis and John Belushi, 1988

“We wanted to go bigger, it's the nature of sequels. So, we went with the battle of the bands concept as part of the story. The studio also felt that this was going to be a success so they were OK with opening up the wallet a bit more. So, that meant we could bring in even more great musicians than the first movie. The Battle of the Bands itself was as much developed around the wish that we just wanted to get as many people into the movie as it was to make a story that worked.”
- Interview with John Landis, 2001

Blues Brothers Band:
'Joliet' Jake Blues
Elwood Blues
Steve 'The Colonel' Cropper
Donald 'Duck' Dunn
Murphy Dunne
Willie 'Too Big' Hall
Tom 'Bones' Malone
'Blue Lou' Marini
Matt 'Guitar' Murphy
'Mr. Fabulous' Alan Rubin

Louisiana Gator Boys:
B. B. King
Bo Diddedly
Koko Taylor
Jack DeJohnette
Charlie Musselwhite
Billy Preston
Joshua Redman

Delta Flyers:
Eric Clapton
John Lee Hooker
Dr. John
Jon Faddis
Paul Shaffer
Grover Washington Junior
Jimmie Vaughan
- List of the three bands featured in the finale of Blues Brothers II and their most notable members (1)

“At first, production went really well. Everyone was back together and with all these legends around during certain days of shooting, we had a really good time. But, as we started to wrap up, John's old habits began to come back. He was going more and more into drugs despite his time in rehab. It wasn't as bad as it had been, even back then, things were cleaner than they were in the 70's. But, drugs followed the money and after Ghostbusters, John had plenty of that. It got really bad in the last few weeks, John went missing for days at a time, coming back stoned off his ass. Dan was doing everything he could to reel him in and, for a while after the movie was made, it seemed like he had succeeded.”
- Extract from an interview with Matt 'Guitar' Murphy, 1997

After serving time for the events in the original Blues Brothers movie, Elwood Blues is released from prison, expecting to be picked up by his brother, Jake. After hours pass, it's eventually Curtis (Cab Calloway) who comes to collect Elwood, giving him some bad news about Jake. After being released a year prior, Jake had tried to stay on the straight and narrow, but had soon fallen into bad habits and was now in debt to the Mob by a considerable amount of money. Elwood is also warned by the Penguin (Kathleen Freeman) that Jake is close to despair and reveals that she still hopes that the brothers can make good of themselves.

Reuniting with his brother, Elwood is brushed off by a surly Jake, who blames him for sending them to jail in the first place due to his reckless driving stunts. Rejected by his own brother, Elwood turns to God to help him and goes to Reverend Cleophus James (James Brown) for advice. After seeing the Reverend and his choir perform Move On Up A Little Higher, Elwood talks to the preacher and is inspired to help Jake in anyway he can, being given the movie's arc words “To err is human, to forgive divine.”

Trying to find legitimate work himself, Elwood is given hints about a battle of the bands competition that would give enough money to pay off his brother's debt. He contacts Jake once again, able to convince his brother to let him help him, although Jake proves to remain reluctant about it, he eventually caves about an impassioned speech from Elwood about what the music has done for them and how it saved the orphanage. Making the point that it could still save Jake, the brothers reunite for the road ahead.

He decides on reuniting the Blues Brothers Band once more, going on a journey to recruit the members. They prove reluctant at first, only to be gathered together by Ray (Ray Charles) at his new music studio. There, he and Mrs. Murphy (Aretha Franklin) convince the band to join back together, both to help reclaim their former glory and, in the case of Mrs. Murphy, to stop her husband moping about the good old days. Following a rendition of Respect by Mrs. Murphy to her husband (Backed up by Ray), the band go on a road trip down to New Orleans for the Battle of the Bands hosted by Duke Dimanche (Stevie Wonder).

As the band travels down south, they're soon pursued by the Mob, looking for Jake as they believe he's skipping out on his debt. Elwood manages to shake them off after a chase through St. Louis, Missouri. Having managed to avoid their pursuers, the band stops at phone where Jake contacts their agents, Maury Slime (Steve Lawrence), to extort another concert from him so they can fund their trip. Slime gets them booked into a Hair Metal concert, failing to mention the actual genre.

When the group arrive, they find themselves with a very hostile audience until they start playing. A rendition of Going Back to Miami sways the audience and the group leave with a triumph for Blues music in general, as well from the cash box of the concert after the man running the event (G. W. Bailey) refused to pay them. As they go down to New Orleans, the band is still followed by the Mob, but Jake and Elwood reconnect while they travel, remembering the times they've had and what the music means to them. As the band continues, they're still pursued by the Mob and the police who look to bring them in for the theft of the concert money.

Arriving in New Orleans, the battle of the bands start up as the family and friends of the Blues Brothers have arrived, even the Penguin. The Louisiana Gator Boys open with How Blue Can You Get followed by the Delta Flyers singing Boogie Chillun. After a speech to the band about how this is what Blues means and why music is important, Jake and Elwood lead their group in a rendition of Soul Man. Although the Blues Brothers don't win, they nevertheless get a lot of appreciation from the crowd. An attempt by the Mob to get involved instead gets them all arrested as they're caught trying to kill Jake. The concert owner's attempt to get the Blues Brothers arrested also goes awry as Cal had helped uncover evidence that he had been embezzling funds from the concerts long before the Blues Brothers had come along and made it look as if he had been trying to frame them.

With the concert and the excitement finished, one last song is played as all bands go along with a rendition of New Orleans Over the credits, the Blues Brothers Band are shown to go onto more concerts and gigs, the final shot being Jake and Elwood relaxing by their car.
- Synopsis of Blues Brothers II, released in 1989

“Blues Brothers II tries its best to capture the old magic of the original movie and largely succeeds. A slower, more thoughtful pace helps flesh out both Jake and Elwood as they travel through America and appreciate the Blues genre of music. With so many musical legends on screen, it's hard not to get caught up with tapping your foot along to it. By no means is this a classic, but it's still an enjoyable film that will keep songs running through your head for some time afterwards.”
- Extract from a review of the Blues Brothers II from the Chicago Tribune, 1989

JOHN BELUSHI FOUND DEAD IN APARTMENT: SUSPECTED OVERDOSE
- Headline from the Chicago Tribune, August 1st, 1989 (2)

“John honestly seemed like he was turning a corner for a while. He had dipped again, was getting ready to go back into rehab, but then...”

“He was my greatest friend and like a brother to me. He was always so full of life. I've always missed him and life hasn't been the same without him. I cherish my memories and I know he'd be happy to know what a long term impact his work has had.
- Extract from an interview with Dan Aykroyd, 2016 (3)

(1): I realise that my knowledge of how to structure a band in almost non-existent so those listed are only the big names featured as such. If I'm missing any instrument, consider them filled in by others.
(2): I'm retconning some previous interviews that had Belushi living past this point. As far as this timeline is concerned, he passed away in 1989.
(3): Mostly taken from an interview from OTL.

 

[HonestAbe1809]

@DAv

While it's saddening to hear about Belushi's death I can understand why it needed to happen. People with self-destructive habits like that often end up dead one way or another. At least he made four seasons of a Star Trek-killing TV series and a non-terrible version of Blues Brothers 2000 before he died.

I'm really interested in knowing when the next Doctor Who update is going to happen. Of course, any update of this timeline's good for me.

 

[Ogrebear]

Poor John!

I hoped he would live and you'd only put him in a coma or something, finally letting him dry out.

 

[DAv]

@DAv

While it's saddening to hear about Belushi's death I can understand why it needed to happen. People with self-destructive habits like that often end up dead one way or another. At least he made four seasons of a Star Trek-killing TV series and a non-terrible version of Blues Brothers 2000 before he died.

I'm really interested in knowing when the next Doctor Who update is going to happen. Of course, any update of this timeline's good for me.

Belushi had a longer career with Ghostbusters securing his legacy to many. Sadly, he was unable to shake off his demons properly. Blues Brother II was a success, made more so due to his death during its release.

Doctor Who is still a few updates away, going to have one or two wrestling ones to come yet.

Poor John!

I hoped he would live and you'd only put him in a coma or something, finally letting him dry out.

Addiction's an embuggerance and, sadly, one that Belushi didn't overcome in this timeline.

 

[DAv]

Part Thirty-One: Rule Britannia:

“With us having Davey Boy as the champion, we had someone to build around. The wrestling scene in Britain at the time was really solidified around Joint Promotions. We had filled the gap left by the WWF after their programming was pulled and we were stronger than ever. We were helped in a big way as our contacts in Jim Crockett Promotions and All Japan Pro Wrestling allowed for a steady stream of international stars as well. We had the philosophy of being a British organisation with an international bend.”
- Extract from an interview with Brian Dixon, 2001

“Oh yeah, they had a philosophy alright, just take what Vince was doing and put a Union Jack around it! You had the big Babyface Champion, Davey Boy and every few months, they'd bring in some guy from Japan or the States, build him up so Davey Boy could knock him the fuck down. He held the championship for nearly five damn years, longer than Hogan or anyone else at that time! And he went over everybody! I mean, they brought in Luger, who got beat. Stan Hansen, who got beat, Toshiaki Kawada, who got beat. Do I need to go on? Now five years of this would have killed a lot of the territories dead. Hell, Vince knew better and shook things up here and there with Macho and so on.”

“But, Joint Promotions were smart, I'll grant them that. First two years, they went smoothly and did everything to build Davey Boy up. Then, through all that, they were making all these different cartoon characters on the undercard that people loved. They even got an actual Japanese guy to take up that Kendo Nagasaki gimmick. So, you had Davey Boy on top and all these characters running around keeping people's attention. It waned, as these things always do, but then the mid-90's pretty much sucked all round. Hell, least Joint Promotions handled it a lot better than most. Then, they managed to finish on a high point when Hogan did a stint, which, believe me, isn't something I say lightly.”
- Extract from an interview with Jim Cornette, 2014

“I had done the Great Muta gimmick with Jim Crockett Promotions only a year before getting an offer for Joint Promotions. They were looking for Japanese stars and, using their contacts with Jim Crocket Promotions, as it was called at the time, got in touch with me. They had used a Japanese themed masked wrestler in their company before and wondered if I wanted to fill in a similar role. I eventually agreed to it, but on the stipulation that things were to be changed to better reflect Japanese culture and strengths. It was the start of a legacy character in Britain and one I am pleased turned out so well.”
- Extract from an interview with Keiji Mutoh, 2013

Royal Albert Hall
Northgate Arena
De Montfort Hall
Manchester Apollo
Newport Centre
- List of common venues for Joint Promotions to have their events take place in throughout the 90's

Brawl in The Hall
Summer War
Christmas Clash
- The three major live, televised events of Joint Promotions that take place yearly. Brawl in The Hall takes place in April, Summer War in August and Christmas Clash in December

“When we started the tours around the UK, we worked on the smaller venues mostly, with the bigger arenas for our three major shows. People were being turned away at each show though, tickets were impossible to get a hold of on the day of an event during our heyday and we were getting national attention. Working with companies from America and Japan really helped people take an interest as it felt like there were so many different styles going on. It appealed to a lot of different people.”
- Extract from an interview with Brian Dixon, 2002

The establishment of Joint Promotions as the face of British wrestling was key to the sport's continued growth in the early 90's and consolidation beyond that point. It attracted wrestlers from the Japanese promotions and had a working deal with Jim Crockett Promotions that allowed for a constant exchange of wrestlers from one to the other. This helped keep the roster of wrestlers fresh and fans could easily find someone to support. The weekly show on the World of Sport was only an hour long and prevented many talents from becoming over exposed. The live shows proved to be the company's main source of income and where people came to see the wrestlers most often. In a way, it was similar to the business model of 1980's WWF where the house shows took precedence over the television shows. It was a model that would do very well within the confines of Britain more than the US.
- Extract from From The Ashes: The Rise of British Wrestling, 2012

“My experiences in the UK were kinda typical for a lot of guys who went over there. You didn't get the same kind of money you would have got in the States, but the travelling was much shorter, schedules were a bit lighter and you didn't have the same cultural divide you got in Japan. The majority of those who went over enjoyed it and you had a lot of repeat runs from some of them. I was among them and had a great time working for Joint Promotions when I was with JCP.”
- Extract from an interview with Scott Hall, 2008

DAVEY 'BOY' SMITH VS. STAN HANSEN
BRITISH HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
TIGER MASK VS. NAGASAKI
FIGHTING FINLAY & DREW MCDONALD (CELTIC CONNECTION) VS. STEVEN REGAL & DAVID TAYLOR)
BRITISH TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
JOHNNY SMITH VS. TATSUMI FUJINAMI
NORMAN SMILEY VS. ROBBIE BROOKSIDE VS. MASAHIRO CHONO VS. BAM BAM BIGELOW VS. CACTUS JACK VS. DIAMOND STUDD
SIX MAN BATTLE ROYALE FOR THE OPENWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP​

- Run down for the card of Christmas Clash '91

“We all had our chances to shine, with everyone being given their freedom to go over their characters and how they'd work with audiences. It was something of a pleasant surprise when I found myself becoming the most hated man in Britain, showed that I was good at my job.”
- Extract from an interview with Steven Regal, 2013

“Now, even though we're among the lower orders, that does not mean that we can't show appreciation for your betters. Today marks a great day, a day of celebration as we take part in the anniversary of a great person. One whose actions have defined this party, made it stand out above all the others and made it great once more. Ladies and gentlemen, give your voice as we celebrate the birthday of Magaret Thatcher!”
- Extract from an in ring promo by Steven Regal that took place in Dover, Kent, 23rd October 1991

WRESTLING SHOW ALMOST CAUSES RIOT
- Headline from Sun newspaper, 24th October 1991

“It really was the high point of British wrestling at this point. You had wrestlers appearing on other shows for ITV, BBC and Channel Four, we were always recognised on the street and even had other big names lining up to be on our shows as ring announcers or similar roles. It was such a fun atmosphere to work with and everyone wanted to be a part of it and make it as good as they could. I think the highlights were always the Christmas Clash shows. It was always the final show before we went on our Christmas break and we were able to bring on special guests, some of who did comedy bits and it was an all round good show that everyone enjoyed. For a while, British wrestling enjoyed popularity it had never experienced before and I honestly wouldn't change those years for anything.”
- Extract from an interview with Max Crabtree, 2001

“By late 1992, business had started to wind down a bit. It was inevitable really, can only stay on top for so long. Davey Boy was talking about how he was eager to take a break from being Champion and all the pressures that came with it as well. We were starting to draw up a list of names that he could lose to when Pat told us about his contact with Hogan. With him having left the WWF on a sabbatical, he was interested in coming to Britain to have a few months in the company. Considering we were looking to bring in Vader and others, it seemed like it would be a good run for Davey Boy to end on things. A tag run with Davey Boy was what was initially agreed upon, but then plans changed.”
- Interview with Brian Dixon, 2002

SUMMER WAR
THE PRIDE OF THE UNITED KINGDOM DAVEY 'BOY' SMITH' VS. THE ALL AMERICAN HULK HOGAN​

- Main event of the Summer War wrestling event that took place at Wembley Stadium

 

[Unknown]

You ever read the Walkman's The Rise of the Dragon TL, with Ricky Steamboat as the face of the WWF in the 1980s and a heel Hulk Hogan? Good TL, as is this one, and good update...

 

[DAv]

You ever read the Walkman's The Rise of the Dragon TL, with Ricky Steamboat as the face of the WWF in the 1980s and a heel Hulk Hogan? Good TL, as is this one, and good update...

I've read some of the start, but never really got into it too much, sadly. Glad you're enjoying this and thanks for the comment.

 

[Unknown]

It's a good TL; try and re-read it someday...

 

[Ogrebear]

I would like Davey Boy vs Hogan to be a draw - that would cause so much publicity!

Davey Boy is no longer Champ by a techinality, but Hogan can’t pick up the belt either, leaving the way Free for a new face.

Is Big Daddy commentating by 92?

 

[DAv]

I would like Davey Boy vs Hogan to be a draw - that would cause so much publicity!

Davey Boy is no longer Champ by a techinality, but Hogan can’t pick up the belt either, leaving the way Free for a new face.

Is Big Daddy commentating by 92?

No chance it'll end in a draw while at Wembley Stadium. The match will have a clear cut winner.

And yeah, Big Daddy's moved to a more off screen role at this point. On air, he serves as the source of cheap heat for the bad guys as they can just insult him to get a few boos.

 

[Nivek]

“Now, even though we're among the lower orders, that does not mean that we can't show appreciation for your betters. Today marks a great day, a day of celebration as we take part in the anniversary of a great person. One whose actions have defined this party, made it stand out above all the others and made it great once more. Ladies and gentlemen, give your voice as we celebrate the birthday of Magaret Thatcher!”
- Extract from an in ring promo by Steven Regal that took place in Dover, Kent, 23rd October 1991

this was so fucking brillant,in the post 80's britain in a worker class event....that was so brilliant

 

[Florida_A_State]

Is TTL dead?

 

[ScrewySqrl]

Is TTL dead?

given it hasn't been posted to in a year,. most likely yes

 

[Florida_A_State]

given it hasn't been posted to in a year,. most likely yes

Darn

 

[DAv]

Is TTL dead?

given it hasn't been posted to in a year,. most likely yes

I will get back to it, someday. I just need to finish off some other projects and get my motivation to return to this.

 

[DAv]

Part Thirty-Two: Summer War:

“I'd stepped away from the WWF at the time and was taking a break from wrestling for a few months before I decided what to do next. I'd been talking with other people when Brian talked about his quick run in Britain he had with Jerry. I hadn't been there for a few years and thought it'd be a good option to explore. So I got on the phone with a few of the guys in Joint Promotions and started asking about what we could do together. There was a break between some filming I had been booked in for a few months so I thought I'd have a good time on a relaxed schedule. It became a lot bigger than that though.”

• Extract from an interview with Hulk Hogan, 2009

“It took a lot of bargaining and counter-bargaining as we knew how much Hogan was worth and he knew it as well. We had a simple idea in mind at the time, Hogan would come in, team with Davey Boy throughout the summer for a big run as a tag team. Of course, it didn't quite work out like that.”

• Extract from an interview with Brian Dixon, 1999

“Well, let me tell you something brother! I've come to take on the best here in the UK and I'm excited. You got Fit Finlay, the tough Irishman, there's Robbie Brookside, a guy who wrestles better than anyone I've ever seen before brother! Then there's the Champion, Davey Boy Smith. Now there's a guy who I'd love to get into the ring with and see who's the best, man!”

• Extract from a promo by Hulk Hogan on ITV's World of Sport, April, 1993

“The Hell's he playing at?”

• Reaction by Max Crabtree to the above promo

“Oh, you thought that it was an accident? Hogan knew exactly what he was doing with that 'see who's the best' line! Let me put it to you like this, what do you think's gonna earn you the most money? Tagging with the Champion, or fighting the Champion? Hogan knew exactly what he was doing with that little slip of the tongue. Son-of-a-bitch got himself a huge payday from it. I'll say Hogan is a lot of things, but dumb ain't one of them.”

• Extract from an interview with Jim Cornette, 2015

Although there was some backlash against Hogan's promo in the back, the thought of turning the program into a World Championship match between Hogan and Davey Boy quickly gained momentum. After testing the idea on house shows by making Hogan's character more heelish, it was given the OK as Hogan verbally attacked Davey Boy in a promo on an edition of World of Sport, claiming to be the superior Champion. Davey Boy responded in kind, saying that Hogan only ever dealt with a level of competition that was below that of Joint Promotions and he'd never taken on the Bulldog.

Hogan's willingness to turn heel, as well as his ease with actually losing to Davey Boy, in large part stemmed from the knowledge that none of this footage would get back to the US. This gave Hogan the confidence to experiment with his character and even agreed to a loss to the Champion. His Heel turn soon provided him with a way to test out new waters with the Hulk Hogan character, turning it into a success.

• Extract from 'From The Ashes: The Rise of British Wrestling', 2012

“For British fans, the Hogan heel turn came as a huge shock. We had always seen him as the big, over the top superhero and had expected him to team up with Bulldog and we know that was the original plan. But the segment when they had a joint interview that ended with Hogan attacking Bulldog really pushed the crowds into hating him. The whole 'American Heel' booking had grown rather old by that point, but Hogan going heel for it gave the thing a whole new level of intensity. Bulldog was our Champion and Hogan was now his greatest opponent, everyone wanted to see that match.”

• Quote from BDFan, member of the Freakin' Awesome Network, 2016

“Ever since I got here brother, people have been telling me that the real champion is the Bulldog! That he's the best, the strongest, the greatest of all time! Well that's crap, brother! I am the greatest to have ever stepped inside of a ring and these fans know the truth, they just don't want to admit it! Davey Boy, if you were half the Champion you claim to be, then you'd put that title up for grabs in a match with me! I'm throwing down the gauntlet brother, prove to me you're not just the small Champion of a small country. And when these twenty-four inch pythons strike, you're gonna know exactly what it feels like to be run over!”

• Extract from a Hulk Hogan promo, May 1993

“Hogan thinks that he's in a small country? I've faced down wrestlers from all over the US, and they're nothing on British talent! You come into the Bulldog's yard and attack me from behind and then say you're the greatest? You've got your title shot, Hogan! But you're going to have to take on the toughest opponent you've ever faced! The bite of the British Bulldog's taken down bigger men than you and tougher as well! The UK is home to the toughest around, Hogan and at Summer War, you're going to get the full fury of the British Bulldog!”

• Extract from a British Bulldog promo, May 1993

“We had booked Wembley Stadium for the event before, but we hadn't realised just how popular the match between Davey and Hogan would be. Tickets sold out within hours and that was with the more limited seating plan we'd drawn up. Demand was still high, even after that so we talked with the organisers and managed to get even more seating arranged, which sold out as well. We had our most successful event happen almost completely by accident.”

• Extract from an interview with Max Crabtree, 2005

“Bringing it all together took some doing. This was our biggest ever show. You couldn't have imagined something like it even five years ago. Having Hogan come in really made people interested and brought them on board for one last bout. It was when we started to look at the card as a whole that we tried to bring out the best for everyone. With our lads helped by others from the US and Japan, we looked to really make this a show to stand out.”

• Extract from an interview with Pat Roach, 2002

“Well, that was the plan at first. Me and Vader in the main event against Davey and Hulk. Then Hulk had that promo and started talking to management and that was all she wrote. There wasn't a delay to me winning the title, but just one less big payday for me. Guess that's what happens when you let the wrong inmate run the asylum.”

• Extract from an interview with Mick Foley, 2012

“I don't know what he's whinging about. He's still getting paid more than most the other lads.”

• Alleged quote by Brian Dixon after a conversation with Mick Foley, 1993

THE BRITISH BULLDOG DAVEY 'BOY' SMITH VS. HULK HOGAN
BRITISH HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH

CACTUS JACK & VADER VS. ROBBIE BROOKSIDE & TIGER MASK

FIGHTING FINLAY & DREW MCDONALD (CELTIC CONNECTION)VS. RICK STEINER & SCOTT STEINER
BRITISH TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH

JOHNNY SMITH VS. STEVEN REGAL
OPENWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH

NAGASAKI, MASAHIRO CHONO & HIRO SAITO VS. DAVE TAYLOR, DANNY BOY COLLINS & DOC DEAN

JOHNNY SAINT VS. SHAWN MICHAELS

JOHNNY KIDD VS. NORMAN SMILEY VS. FLYIN' BRIAN PILLMAN​

• The card for Summer War '93

“If he gives you any issues in the match, just remind the little shit that all the lads back here will see to him.”
- Quote from David Final to Johnny Saint in regards to Shawn Michaels' bad attitude backstage

 

[Unknown]

Shawn Michaels getting a much-deserved beating for his attitude? Well, someone has to stand up to him...

Hope Davey doesn't die in 2002...

 

[Nivek]

Shawn Michaels getting a much-deserved beating for his attitude? Well, someone has to stand up to him...

yeah and too early for his born again, as much i loved cocky HBK, reborn michaels showed all his talents

 

[DAv]

Shawn Michaels getting a much-deserved beating for his attitude? Well, someone has to stand up to him...

Hope Davey doesn't die in 2002...

Let's say that Shawn is in a spot where his shenanigans won't be tolerated and no Vince to protect him.

With things laid out as they are, Davey is likely to live much longer than OTL.

yeah and too early for his born again, as much i loved cocky HBK, reborn michaels showed all his talents

Have to see if he gets the chance to get that far with his attitude change.