BOlieve: A Sports/Pop Culture Timeline
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Before we get to the picks, there's a butterfly that feel the need to mention. Because of the Browns making back to back Super Bowl appearances ITTL, Marty Schottenheimer is still the head coach in 1989. The Chiefs instead hire Bengals OC Bruce Coslet as HC.
Notable Selections in the 1989 NFL Draft
1-1: Troy Aikman - Cowboys (UCLA)
1-2: Tony Mandarach - Falcons (Michigan State)
1-3: Barry Sanders - Packers (Oklahoma State)
1-4: Deion Sanders - Lions (Florida State)
1-5: Derrick Thomas - Chiefs (Alabama)
1-13: Eric Metcalf - Browns (Texas)
1-19: Wayne Martin - Buccaneers (Arkansas)
1-20: Steve Atwater - Broncos (Arkansas)
2-11: Daryl Johnston - Cowboys (Syracuse)
10-12: Mark Schlerth - Redskins (Idaho)
Notable Selections in the 1989 NFL Draft
1-1: Troy Aikman - Cowboys (UCLA)
1-2: Tony Mandarach - Falcons (Michigan State)
1-3: Barry Sanders - Packers (Oklahoma State)
1-4: Deion Sanders - Lions (Florida State)
1-5: Derrick Thomas - Chiefs (Alabama)
1-13: Eric Metcalf - Browns (Texas)
1-19: Wayne Martin - Buccaneers (Arkansas)
1-20: Steve Atwater - Broncos (Arkansas)
2-11: Daryl Johnston - Cowboys (Syracuse)
10-12: Mark Schlerth - Redskins (Idaho)
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1989 NBA Finals
Lakers lead 1-0
Lakers lead 2-0
Lakers lead 3-0
Lakers lead 3-1
Lakers lead 3-2
Series tied 3-3
Lakers win 4-3
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KNICKS SHOW GREAT FIGHT, BUT AREN'T CHAMPIONSHIP WORTHY YET
Los Angeles Times; June 22, 1989
The Lakers were able to officially capture the 1989 NBA Finals last night, defeating the New York Knicks 104-92. It originally seemed like it was going to be a clean sweep for our Lakers as Magic would put on several stellar performances to give the team a commanding 3-0 lead. However, after multiple strong defensive games from Knicks superstar center Patrick Ewing, alongside impressive work from Len Bias and Mark Jackson in game 5, the series would end up being extended to 7 games. In the end, LA would finally close it out in game 7 to win another NBA Finals. With how well they played this series, it seems like only a matter of time before we see the Knicks back in finals again.
Lakers lead 1-0
Lakers lead 2-0
Lakers lead 3-0
Lakers lead 3-1
Lakers lead 3-2
Series tied 3-3
Lakers win 4-3
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KNICKS SHOW GREAT FIGHT, BUT AREN'T CHAMPIONSHIP WORTHY YET
Los Angeles Times; June 22, 1989
The Lakers were able to officially capture the 1989 NBA Finals last night, defeating the New York Knicks 104-92. It originally seemed like it was going to be a clean sweep for our Lakers as Magic would put on several stellar performances to give the team a commanding 3-0 lead. However, after multiple strong defensive games from Knicks superstar center Patrick Ewing, alongside impressive work from Len Bias and Mark Jackson in game 5, the series would end up being extended to 7 games. In the end, LA would finally close it out in game 7 to win another NBA Finals. With how well they played this series, it seems like only a matter of time before we see the Knicks back in finals again.
HERSCHEL WALKER TRADED
The New York Times; October 13, 1989
In a surprising move to many, the 0-5 Dallas Cowboys have traded All Pro RB Herschel Walker to the Cleveland Browns. Walker has been one of the few bright spots of the Cowboys season so far, as he contributed over 500 total yards and 3 touchdowns for their offense so far. This move certainty came with a hefty price for the Browns as well. With this trade and them shipping Herman Fontenot to Green Bay, Cleveland's next first round draft pick won't be until 1993. Still, we wonder what Walker will do with Kosar and Schottenheimer for the rest of the 1989 season.
TRADE DETAILS
The New York Times; October 13, 1989
In a surprising move to many, the 0-5 Dallas Cowboys have traded All Pro RB Herschel Walker to the Cleveland Browns. Walker has been one of the few bright spots of the Cowboys season so far, as he contributed over 500 total yards and 3 touchdowns for their offense so far. This move certainty came with a hefty price for the Browns as well. With this trade and them shipping Herman Fontenot to Green Bay, Cleveland's next first round draft pick won't be until 1993. Still, we wonder what Walker will do with Kosar and Schottenheimer for the rest of the 1989 season.
TRADE DETAILS
| Dallas Cowboys | Cleveland Browns |
| CB Mark Harper Cleveland's 2nd round pick in 1990 Cleveland's 1st round pick in 1991 Cleveland's 2nd round pick in 1991 Cleveland's 1st round pick in 1992 Cleveland's 2nd round pick in 1992 | RB Herschel Walker Dallas's 3rd round pick in 1990 Dallas's 10th round pick in 1990 Dallas's 3rd round pick in 1991 |
Well,when they can't exploit the compensatory picks like otl... that's as Insane as Watson tradeHERSCHEL WALKER TRADED
The New York Times; October 13, 1989
In a surprising move to many, the 0-5 Dallas Cowboys have traded All Pro RB Herschel Walker to the Cleveland Browns. Walker has been one of the few bright spots of the Cowboys season so far, as he contributed over 500 total yards and 3 touchdowns for their offense so far. This move certainty came with a hefty price for the Browns as well. With this trade and them shipping Herman Fontenot to Green Bay, Cleveland's next first round draft pick won't be until 1993. Still, we wonder what Walker will do with Kosar and Schottenheimer for the rest of the 1989 season.
TRADE DETAILS
Dallas Cowboys Cleveland Browns CB Mark Harper
Cleveland's 2nd round pick in 1990
Cleveland's 1st round pick in 1991
Cleveland's 2nd round pick in 1991
Cleveland's 1st round pick in 1992
Cleveland's 2nd round pick in 1992RB Herschel Walker
Dallas's 3rd round pick in 1990
Dallas's 10th round pick in 1990
Dallas's 3rd round pick in 1991
And Kareem’s career ends with a bang. A much better finale for the team than the one twenty years before!
I doubt the Lakers have any gas left for a four-peat though, even if they were pretty good even without Cap.
I doubt the Lakers have any gas left for a four-peat though, even if they were pretty good even without Cap.
Final standings for the 1989 NFL regular season (wins/loss differential compared to real life)
| AFC West | AFC Central | AFC East |
| 2. Denver Broncos: 12-4 (+1) Seattle Seahawks: 7-9 Los Angeles Raiders: 7-9 (-1) San Diego Chargers: 6-10 Kansas City Chiefs: 6-10 (-3) | 1. Cleveland Browns: 13-3 (+4) 4. Pittsburgh Steelers: 9-7 Cincinnati Bengals: 8-8 Houston Oilers: 8-8 (-1) | 3. Buffalo Bills: 10-6 (+1) 5. Miami Dolphins: 9-7 (+1) Indianapolis Colts: 8-8 New York Jets: 4-12 New England Patriots: 4-12 (-1) |
| NFC West | NFC Central | NFC East |
| 1. San Francisco 49ers: 14-2 5. Los Angeles Rams: 11-5 New Orleans Saints: 9-7 Atlanta Falcons: 2-14 (-1) | 3. Minnesota Vikings: 10-6 Green Bay Packers: 10-6 Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 7-9 (+2) Detroit Lions: 7-9 Chicago Bears: 6-10 | 2. New York Giants: 12-4 4. Philadelphia Eagles: 11-5 Washington Redskins: 9-7 (-1) Phoenix Cardinals: 4-12 (-1) Dallas Cowboys: 1-15 |
The Kansas City Royals are going to be interesting when they come into play. Without Bo, I don't think their 1986 or 1987 is affected that much (-0.8 WAR in '86 and 0 WAR in '87), but 1988-1990 would be affected. The White Sox and Angels would also be affected to some degree (1991-1993 in the Southside and '94 with the Angels), but he played 183 games over that four year span, and while above average offensively, surely wouldn't have been missed that much outside 1993. Even then, Warren Newson could've been played more and could've repeated his exceptional rookie campaign from 1991, as in his 26 MLB games that year he was 39% better than the average player.
This is a really interesting butterfly and I'm excited to see where it goes. Different draft picks, different callups, etc. could make a bigger splash than Ol' Bo ever did or could.
This is a really interesting butterfly and I'm excited to see where it goes. Different draft picks, different callups, etc. could make a bigger splash than Ol' Bo ever did or could.
Happy Draft Day Everyone!
Just hopping back on to say that a new update will be coming soon and it will be the first major change for a sport ITTL.
Ok it's really more accurate to say I'm taking something from a different alternate history project that I wanted to implement into Restarted with a Mouse but couldn't find a way to naturally talk about it without several dragging down the pacing of that TL. But that doesn't really sound as exciting.
Just hopping back on to say that a new update will be coming soon and it will be the first major change for a sport ITTL.
Ok it's really more accurate to say I'm taking something from a different alternate history project that I wanted to implement into Restarted with a Mouse but couldn't find a way to naturally talk about it without several dragging down the pacing of that TL. But that doesn't really sound as exciting.