Thande
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So, Balkanise China.But is that even feasable?
I mean, they're next to China, for goodness sake...
So, Balkanise China.But is that even feasable?
I mean, they're next to China, for goodness sake...
Eh, just the whole "religious tolerance FTW!" attitude. ... but you apply this too widely, as though it was a general principle. I noticed this in Puritan World as well. There are plenty of counter-examples.
The eastern border of Bavaria and part of the southern border of Prussia are the ones that leapt out at me...
They should be "Tunisia" and "Tripolitania" respectively...
Well Japan attempted to conquer China twice, and almost succeeded once(the only reason they didn't was US interference). That was largely due to Chinese fragmentation. So why cant Korea? In any case they don't need all of China, just Manchuria and maybe a bit more(Japan would be good as well). With that, they have a navally strong position, and its unlikely they wouldn't become a mercantile state (Korean Alaska/California anyone?)But is that even feasable?
I mean, they're next to China, for goodness sake...
Britain reached the peak of imperial power whilst under a regime that disinfranchised Catholics.Well I guess that reflects what I actually believe, which feeds into my ATLs. I couldn't immediately think of any examples of "religious intolerance FTW!" from OTL. Which counter-examples did you have in mind?
Well Japan attempted to conquer China twice, and almost succeeded once(the only reason they didn't was US interference). That was largely due to Chinese fragmentation. So why cant Korea? In any case they don't need all of China, just Manchuria and maybe a bit more(Japan would be good as well). With that, they have a navally strong position, and its unlikely they wouldn't become a mercantile state (Korean Alaska/California anyone?)
So, Balkanise China.
Well, Japan attempted to conquer China twice,and almost succeeded once (the only reason they didn't was US interference). That was largely due to Chinese fragmentation. So why can't Korea?
In any case, they don't need all of China, just Manchuria and maybe a bit more (Japan would be good as well). With that, they have a navally strong position, and its unlikely they wouldn't become a mercantile state (Korean Alaska/California anyone?)
1) Besides, as others will remind you, the geography of China will force a (re-)unification eventually...
All that flat land in the north, and all.
2) But Japan doesn't have a land border with China, though... (less chance of being overun by vast hordes of Chinese soliders...)
3) But that would hardly be a TURBO-KOREA!!!!!!! (TM), though, would it?...
Come to thing of it, how could Korea conquer Japan of all places, anyway?
3) You know what, I think if you want to get a TURBO-KOREA!!!!!! p), conquering Japan is absolutely necessary. Just look at the map and I think you'll understand what I mean here. That is, if you don't want to be bothered to get Korea absorb ALL of China......
Conquering Japan was for a plausablity review...
Of course having a Korean Japan is a must for TURBO-KOREA!!!!!!
You know what ? As long as Tony doesn't pull the usual "Genocide against tEh p00r JaPon3s3 (or some other poor people, insert their name here)" there, I'll be very happy....
Really, I think it's one of the most bothering weakness of Tony's TLs....
Though he does have UBER-JAPAN!!! in Superpunk...
And an independent (formally Chinese) Japan in Tellus.
I know, but he butchered almost all of the Koreans in Cliveless World and the Japanese in the Monarchy World. I think such Genocides in both TLs just baseless, don't really reasonable to be done. The Chinese in both TLs just go "kill all the Japanese(monarchy)/Koreans(Cliveless) because it's fun" without stating why it was really necessary (don't have to be a logical reason though....) for the Chinese to do it....
-In the case of Britain- that wasn't much worse then the other powers of the time, in fact, the fact that their are still Catholics in Ireland proves they were better then say France, Spain, Portugal.... the HRE was supposedly meant to tolerate any religion, or at least its constituent states were, but that was because of military defeat. Also, it was kind of outweighed by the huge economic and industrial advantage it enjoyed ,as well as Democracy.Britain reached the peak of imperial power whilst under a regime that disinfranchised Catholics.
Spain conquered half the world under a regime that hunted down and tortured its Muslim and Jewish population, doubtless losing valuable talent in the process.
America is currently the most avowedly Christian Western nation and continues to be both the only military and economic superpower, and the leader in all scientific disciplines - and believe me, I know what I'm talking about on that one (my head of department: 'good idea, Nearly-Dr Thande, but the University of Utah did that last year' )
My point is not that religious intolerance is a good thing - obviously that's not true - but I am saying that religious tolerance is not some sort of magic pink pill that gives your country an automatic advantage, as you seem to think.
I was counting the Imjin war- I meant 2 times it has been their aim to conquer the entirety of China, rather then a part of it.Actually three times if you count the Imjin War...
Come to think of it, the Imjin War is a good place to start a turbo-Korean TL. If China then gets shattered by invasions rather than just taken over by the Manchus, leaving Joseon-Korea as a coherent state with a powerful army and navy from the war (and Japan isolationist)...
-Yes, it will force a re-unification, but not neccesarily by a Chinese state. The Mongols managed it once, and tried it a second time, so why couldn't Korea try it? Sure, the geography is less favourable, but its not impossible.HERESY!
Besides, as others will remind you, the geography of China will force a (re-)unification eventually...
All that flat land in the north, and all.
But Japan doesn't have a land border with China, though... (less chance of being overun by vast hordes of Chinese soliders...)
But that would hardly be a TURBO-KOREA!!!!!!! (TM), though, would it?...
Come to thing of it, how could Korea conquer Japan of all places, anyway?
That is a good point...
One of the few bad parts of the Tony Jones TLs...
Another one is that there is only one with Uber-Britishness!
And that one also, just have to sacrifice Ottoman Empire for that.... !?!?!
Seriously, I seriously doubt there was no chance for Ottoman Empire for at least maintain her grace in the Monarchy World. At least they can survive as a nation that's on par with Brazil in Monarchy World TL, or even on par with NEU ! They would make a perfect buffer between the British and the Russian's realms....
--Yes, it will force a re-unification, but not neccesarily by a Chinese state. The Mongols managed it once, and tried it a second time, so why couldn't Korea try it? Sure, the geography is less favourable, but its not impossible.
-Well, if it happens in the Imjin war, Japan has just suffered a major military and naval defeat. Unlikely, but we are talking about a TURBO-KOREA!!!
aren't we? Oh, and notice I suggeste a Korean mercantile power so basically parts of western (otl) USA's coast, some Indonesian Islands, Taiwan etc. if you want a real wank.
More Ottomans!
Hear that, Tony?
We want more Ottomans in your next TL!
(And uber-Britishness, if that's not too much to ask?... )
Very very agree !
Uber-Britishness ? Why not... uber Britonicness ?
I know, but he butchered almost all of the Koreans in Cliveless World and the Japanese in the Monarchy World. I think such Genocides in both TLs just baseless, don't really reasonable to be done. The Chinese in both TLs just go "kill all the Japanese(monarchy)/Koreans(Cliveless) because it's fun" without stating why it was really necessary (don't have to be a logical reason though....) for the Chinese to do it....
We want more Ottomans in your next TL!
Continue the marvellous work and may we see more works like it!