Did the Marburg Colloquy still happen ttl and were they more succesful in uniting the Protestant churches?
Yes, it likely still occurred (though perhaps somewhere other than Marburg), but likely with Luther and Zwingli being unable to reach an agreement as in OTL. Their main issue was on the eucharist. I don't feel like the POD of Henry VIII's death in 1513 would alter that Luther and Zwingli's thought processes enough for them to reach an agreement.

Both sides offered up their own confessions at Regensburg IATL: the Regensburg Confession of the Lutherans, and the Pentapolitan / Swabian Confession of Zwingli.
 
Chapter 23. Star of the North
Chapter 23. Star of the North
1533-1536; Denmark, England, Germany & Sweden.

“Mild measures are of no use; the remedies that give the whole body a good shaking are the best and surest.”
— Christian II of Denmark


Music Accompaniment: O Rosa Bella

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Carte Marina, c. 1539.

Scandinavia had not been untouched by the changes that had rocked Europe in the past twenty years. Though Christian II of Denmark had succeeded for a period in imposing his rule over Sweden and restoring the Kalmar Union, his harsh policies soon resulted in his deposition. Sweden elected a new king—Gustav Vasa, who soon made a sharp break with Rome. Despite the loss of Sweden, Christian undertook progressive reforms in Denmark to reduce the power of the nobility and the bishops—an act that cost Christian II the throne of Denmark as well, with his uncle Frederik being named king. Christian had languished in exile—he converted to Lutheranism for a time, and his children were handed over into the care of Empress Mary—with his eldest son, John, being betrothed to Queen Mary of England. Though Christian II had reaccepted the Catholic faith in 1531, he received little assistance from Charles V, and his attempt to reclaim the Danish throne in 1532 ended with his capture and imprisonment. Christian II’s attempt to reclaim the Danish throne had been foiled by support Frederik had received from the fleet of the Hanseatic City of Lübeck. In return for their aid, Frederik granted Lübeck extensive trading privileges and rights within Denmark. Following Empress Mary’s death, care of the Danish Princesses, Christina, and Dorothea as well as Prince John passed for a time to their great-aunt, Margaret of Austria—before passing to the care of the emperor’s new wife, Renée of France.

The reign of Frederik in Denmark had been one of passivity. Frederik was proclaimed the protector of Catholicism in his coronation charter, but also played a role in the spread of the reformation, supporting a known reformist preacher, Hans Tausen, and encouraging the translation of the Bible into Danish. Protestants and Catholics were forced to share the same churches, and Frederik closed monasteries throughout the kingdom. Though he kept tensions to a minimum throughout his reign between the bickering religious factions, trouble was on the horizon as Frederik’s health began to fail—in April of 1533, Frederik died at Gottorp in Holstein—and would be buried in Schleswig Cathedral. Frederik desired to be succeeded by his son—Duke Christian of Schleswig-Holstein. Compared to his more cautious father, Duke Christian was a known Lutheran and made little secret of his views. This immediately brought him into conflict with the Danish Privy Council, or Rigsråd, which remained dominated by the Catholic nobility and prelates—to which the idea of a Protestant king remained odious. Though Christian was proclaimed Christian III of Denmark at an assembly in Jutland by a minority of Protestant councilors, the Rigsråd refused to accept him as king—declaring that they would make their decision in a year. The council was split—while some wished for Christian III to become king, they did not possess a majority; some of the Catholics on the council preferred the idea of crowning Christian’s younger brother, Hans as king. Protestant lords left the council in protest, leaving the conservatives in control of the Rigsråd —and effectively in control of the kingdom, as well. The bishops once more had control over the nominations of priests, halted Lutheran teachings, and declared Protestant supporters as heretics. During the interregnum, the Burgomaster of Lübeck, Jürgen Wullenwever offered his support to Christian III. Wullenwever had become a burgomaster in the aftermath of religious and political revolts in Lübeck in 1531 which had ousted the pro-Imperial and pro-Catholic aristocratic faction. Lübeck objected to the idea of a Roman Catholic becoming King of Denmark and attempted to offer their support to Christian III. The new king, however, had little desire to renew the trading privileges that had been granted to Lübeck in his father’s reign—and instead firmly rebuffed their offer of support.

“The new men of Lübeck felt blindsided by the King of Denmark’s refusal to work with them,” a Hanseatic historian of the period wrote. “Both parties were united in both politics and religion—and the Lübeck navy had helped King Frederik in fending off Christian II’s invasion two years previously. By showing his ingratitude, Christian III alienated a potential ally—and laid the seeds for his demise.” While Wullenwever plotted the downfall of the King of Denmark, the pro-Imperial faction within Lübeck had been scattered, including the previous Burgomaster—Nikolaus Brömse, who had sought refuge in the Low Countries, where he was knighted by Emperor Charles V and named an Imperial Councilor. Brömse found a helpful ally in Charles V, as Wullenwever represented not just a threat to Lübeck, but to Charles’ ancestral dominions as well, with Wullenwever attempting to limit Dutch merchants’ access through the Danish Sound—both through the treaty he had negotiated with Frederik, which Christian III was refusing to enforce—and through privateers. Brömse’s negotiations with the emperor also brought him into contact with Christopher, the Count of Oldenburg who often served as a mercenary to supplement his income—and despite his Lutheran faith, was willing to support the highest bidder. Christopher remained a supporter of his cousin, Christian II—and it was through him that plans were hatched to bring about not only the destruction of Wullwever and the restoration of Lübeck’s rightful government—but to topple King Christian III and restore Christian II to his rightful place. Further support came from the Counts of East Frisia—Enno II, married to Anna of Oldenburg offered support to Christopher’s plans, while Enno’s brother, Johan, a soldier in imperial service, offered his services as a commander.

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Enno II of East Frisia, one of the many allies seeking to aid Christian II.

While Christoph and Brömse plotted, a delegation of nobility opposed to Christian III traveled to England in great secrecy in 1534. The delegation was headed by Kristoffer Throndsen, a Norwegian admiral related to the Archbishop of Nidaros, and included Claus Bille, a member of the Rigsråd and a member of one of Skåne’s greatest Catholic families. Throndsen and Bille arrived in May of 1534—a month following the wedding between John—now King of England, and Queen Mary. “King John and Queen Mary received us warmly at Eltham Palace quite early in the morning on a Friday; the queen is very pretty and dresses well; the king, despite his youth, is every inch a king. We were invited to breakfast with the king and queen within their privy chamber, where we enjoyed a fish day breakfast of various offerings…” Both Throndsen and Bille impressed upon John and Mary the facts: Denmark and Norway had suffered long enough under the tyranny of the usurper, and they desired to see the return of their rightful king. King Frederik’s son, Christian III, was a notorious Protestant—if he succeeded to the throne, it would mean an end to the Catholic Church in both realms—and in Scandinavia as a whole. “You must understand that you are our only hope,” Claus Bille spoke to both the king and queen—with his words aimed squarely at John. “Your father is our rightful king, but that is not enough—people have long memories and remember the disasters of his earlier reign. You are his heir, and the people accept you as such. You are the one to temper the king and bring those wavering onto his side.”

Both Throndsen and Bille were thanked for their time—with John granting the pair lodgings within Eltham for the duration of their visit and granting both £300 for their travel expenses. The crisis in Denmark represented the first great foreign policy test of John and Mary’s reign—and the first which divided them. “His Majesty is greatly troubled,” Ascanio Arianiti wrote in a letter to his father, Prince Cominato—or Comnène, as he became known at the imperial court. “He believes that there is a real chance to restore his father and his family to their ancestral throne—but that it shall rely upon him and whatever aid he can render from his present dominions. The queen, although sympathetic, has counseled the king to act with caution.” Anne Parr, Mary’s favored companion, had her thoughts on the matter: “Most certainly, the queen was sympathetic to the king’s desire to be of aid to his family… but what she feared was the cost to England, in money, ships, and men… nor had she forgotten the troubles her mother had endured in the wars abroad for her cousin the emperor. She feared that any aid rendered for the king’s aspirations would cost England dearly—and offer little benefit in return…” This represented the troubles of Mary’s new position—no longer was she sole sovereign. Only two days after her wedding, the Privy Council had met with both the King and Queen and had adopted measures that gave John a real measure of power within England—matters of state henceforth required both sovereign’s signature and a new state seal had been ordered—bearing the names of both John and Mary. Sir Thomas More, as Lord Privy Seal also began to meet with John daily to discuss matters of government—and John soon began to attend council meetings and hold audiences of his own—as well as receiving dispatches. He was not simply a figurehead that the queen could ignore.

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The Coat of Arms of Denmark and England, c. 1533.
Following John's marriage, the arms of England would be impaled with those of Denmark and Norway.

As John wrangled with what he might be able to do to help his father, the situation in Denmark deteriorated further. In Lübeck, Wullenwever was incensed over Christian III’s refusal to abide by the treaties signed by King Frederik and dispatched privateers to harass Danish shipping—while mercenaries hired by the Hanseatic City were sent into Holstein to ravage Plön, Neumünster, as well as Eutin, home of the Prince-Bishop of Lübeck, who remained an ardent Catholic. Skipper Clement, a Danish privateer who remained a loyalist to Christian II also caused issues, raiding Vendsyssel and northern Jutland. Troops from Christoph of Oldenburg’s alliance instigated an uprising in favor of Christian II—with troops landing in Zealand and Skåne. Both Copenhagen and Malmø readily rallied to the side of Christopher of Oldenburg. In August of 1534, Christopher of Oldenburg accepted the government of Skåne for Christian II. The rapid deterioration of the situation in Denmark caused great unease among both Throndsen and Bille—who feared that John would be overshadowed by those who were already acting in the name of his father. “You are needed in Denmark, sire,” Throndsen was reported as saying to King John in a meeting when news finally reached England regarding the troubles in Denmark and the success that Christopher of Oldenburg had enjoyed in Skåne. “The longer you are away—the more the influence of the others grows. They cannot all have your father’s best interest in mind; some may even hope to climb the throne themselves.” John decided that he could wait no longer—with Mary continuing to encourage patience, the King of England decided that he would take the question before the Privy Council himself.

“Trouble brews in Denmark as we speak,” John began before the assembled council. “I come before you, not just as King of England—but as a Prince of Denmark. We believe that there is a real possibility here to restore my father to his rightful place as king—but also to banish the Protestants and heresy from Denmark for the rest of time. I know that I come before you as your sovereign with a heavy request—but is it not our duty to do what is right? A king cannot and should not be tossed from his throne on mere whim; nor can I sit idly while our Holy Church is torn asunder in the kingdom of my birth. As King of England, Most Pious King, it is my duty—and the duty of this realm, to stamp out troubles wherever we might.” Though John’s plea was impassioned, the Privy Council was gravely concerned by his proposals: John had been King of England for scarcely five months—and already he sought to entangle England in troubles abroad. “He was chosen because he was a princeling of no stature—and his father had no throne,” one councilor grumbled in a letter to another. “Should his father once more become King of Denmark, then he too will one day become king of that country…and England shall be forever entangled in their affairs. Who is to say this will be the last time English blood and gold shall be requested for the king’s Danish ambitions?”

The Privy Council could not help but look to the queen, who had remained in silence throughout the meeting. “Milords, the king speaks true. Denmark requires succor—and it is our duty to provide.” Mary, troubled as she was by the issues in Denmark—had offered her support to John in this endeavor. There remain many questions as to why—when there is so much evidence that suggests her opposition. Some believe that perhaps she was swayed by Johan von Weze—who following the wedding of John to Mary had become a key advisor to both sovereigns, seeking to meld both of their outlooks into a singular vision. Others take a more pragmatic approach: the queen’s powers had been gravely restricted in the aftermath of her marriage, something which rankled her. Were John to leave to the kingdom to deal with the issues in Denmark, it would leave her as supreme authority within what was her kingdom by birth, for however long he might be gone. There also remained a chance of success: should Christian II be restored, then certainly, John would one day succeed him as King of Denmark. As the heir to Denmark and its future king, then he might be expected to spend even more time abroad, further weakening his position as Mary’s co-ruler—it would allow the present situation to be fixed into one more amiable to Mary’s rights as sovereign.

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Peter Pomegranate, one of the English warships which would fight in the Danish War of Succession.

To provide immediate aid, Mary ordered that £12,000 be granted directly to John from the royal treasury and that 6000 infantrymen and 2000 cavalrymen would be raised to serve under John—along with ships from the English navy, including two of the largest warships available: the Mary Rose and Peter Pomegranate. It was agreed that John, as well as Throndsen and Bille, should depart as soon as possible—but with the late time of year, it was agreed that their voyage should be deferred until April 1535. John did not spend this time idly; he wrote to his uncle, Charles V, beseeching further aid—who was amiable to offer John what support he could, given that there were rumors of Christian III and his allies attempting to stir up trouble in East Frisia and Guelders through their support of Balthasar von Esens. The emperor agreed to provide John with some ƒ20,000; agreements between England and the emperor stipulated that the money loaned to John would be deducted from the total debt that Charles V owed England—which stood at nearly £150,000—not including interest, nor the 250,000 ducats which the emperor had promised to add to Mary’s dowry when she wed—which had yet to be paid.

Mary and John would spend Christmas at Richmond in great style—while the new year was spent with the king and queen bonding over building plans—Mary, having little desire to stay at the Palace of Westminster, still desired a palace within London alongside the Thames. Royal surveyors began to scout out lands north of Westminster, while Mary and John pondered what the future might hold. John departed from England in late March of 1535—with Mary seeing John off at Greenwich. “I shall pray for you and your father—and the success of your endeavors,” Mary reportedly said to her husband in their final interview—her land clasped over her abdomen as she spoke. “And I hope you too, shall pray for us in our endeavors here at home.” It was a veiled announcement from the queen to the king—that was finally pregnant and expecting, after nearly a year of marriage. “All were pleased with the queen’s news,” Anne Parr wrote in a letter to her mother. “Except perhaps the queen herself—she had not expected to fall pregnant as soon as this; and while she was not completely displeased with the news, she knew that her life would be forever changed when she finally gave birth—it was then that she would be in truth a woman.” In a final meeting with the Privy Council, John instructed the councilors to obey the queen solely as they had before their marriage, and that in his absence documents would require solely the signature of the queen.

By the time the campaign season began in 1535, Denmark was in chaos—Christopher of Oldenburg continued to hold Skåne and Zealand, while Christian III held Jutland—under attack from raids from Skipper Clement, while Holstein was ravaged by mercenaries hired by Lübeck. Christian III’s troops were commanded by Johan Rantzau, who was ordered to deal first with Wullenwever and Lübeck. Danish troops under Rantzau clashed with Wullenwever’s men at the Battle of Lütjenburg, where Wullenwever’s troops were defeated. The tide also began to turn against Wullenwever’s party in Lübeck when the Imperial Chamber Court at Speyer decreed the restoration of Lübeck’s previous constitution and supported the restoration of Nikolaus Brömse as Burgomaster. Meanwhile, John and his fleet—augmented by ships and supplies provided by Charles V—landed in Oslo to popular acclaim. John was met by Olav Engelbrektsson, the Archbishop of Nidaros and Regent of Norway—as well as the President of the Norwegian Privy Council—known as the Riksråd. “The Prince of Norway has returned—the heir to our rightful king,” Archbishop Engelbrektsson declared before the Riksgråd at Akerhaus Castle, which like Oslo, welcomed John with welcome arms. Archbishop Engelbrektsson was prepared to offer up Norway to John—but both he and the Riksråd had wished for John to agree to certain capitulations before they would agree. In what became known as the Håndfæstning of Oslo, John pledged that Norway would continue to be governed by the Riksråd in the absence of the king; he agreed that taxes within Norway should not be levied without the consent of the council and that the status of the Catholic Church in Norway should be respected and protected. The final article concerned Norway’s administration—John pledged in his father’s name that the king would only govern Norway through Norwegians—either those born within the kingdom or those who had married into the country. John was soon recognized formally as Prince of Norway. John’s first act in Norway was the seizure of Nonneseter Abbey, which had been secularized in 1528 and handed over to Vincens Lunge as a private residence. John restored the abbey into the hands of the church and asked that Archbishop Engelbrektsson restore the nunnery there that had been closed in 1497.

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English and Imperial Ships, Copenhagen.

John’s landing in Norway had allowed him to claim that kingdom for his father. He dispatched troops—as well as several ships from his fleet, including the Mary Rose to subdue the northern fortresses, while those in southern Norway, such as Bergenhus, were seized with little issue. John took his time in Norway to recruit further troops for his father’s cause—some 3000 infantrymen, while he dispatched some ƒ10,000 of the funds he had received from Charles V to hire mercenary troops in Germany. John decided that his best bet was to take the fight to Christian III—while portions of Zealand and Skåne had rallied to his father’s cause, Christian III still retained the majority of Jutland—where his support and influence remained the strongest. “We must wipe out the heretic pretender root and stem from his domains in Holstein and Jutland,” John wrote in a letter to Count Christopher of Oldenburg. “He has done us a favor in dealing with Wullenwever; let us return the favor to him.” After a short stay in Norway, John soon departed—with plans to land his troops in Lübeck. The conflict in Denmark had spilled outside of Scandinavia as well, as open warfare broke out in the Low Countries. The Duke of Guelders hired Meindert van Ham, who threatened Holland, and further skirmishes occurred between troops from Guelders and the Frisians. Guelders would be forced out of the fight in 1536—forced to cede Groningen and Drenthe to the emperor. Christian III was soon forced to look for support from his northern neighbor—and Gustav Vasa aided by sending troops into Skåne. Swedish troops fought against forces under Christopher of Oldenburg at the Battle of Søbo—where Christopher was killed in battle, leading to the ravaging of Skåne by Swedish troops. Swedish troops would occupy Skåne until their ejection in 1537—and it was Christian III’s alliance with Gustav Vasa that Sweden’s interest in Skåne can be traced. John’s army arrived in Lübeck in the summer of 1535—where they assisted in restoring order. Nikolaus Brömse was not only restored as Burgomaster but a Catholic Mass was celebrated at the Lübeck Marienkirche with Prince John in attendance.

As Prince John’s army pressed into Holstein, a segment of John’s fleet, under the command of Sir Thomas Spert succeeded in landing on the island of Als, where the town of Sønderborg was seized—including Sønderborg Castle, where Christian II had been held since his capture in 1531. “The king was not held in a miserable condition, as some have alleged,” Thomas Spert wrote in a letter home. “He had been allowed to keep a great estate at Sønderborg—though in close confinement. Still, the king felt relief to see allies and not enemies: he fell unto his knees, declaring to all that his deliverance had finally come.” The freed king was soon escorted to Copenhagen—where he was allowed to take up residence at Copenhagen Castle for the first time since his exile in 1523. A meeting of the Rigsråd—comprising primarily of the Catholic prelates and nobility who had rejected the election of Christian III nearly two years earlier were more than happy to offer the crown to Christian II in what became known as the Danish Readeption, while envoys from Norway proclaimed their allegiance to Christian II as well—contingent on his acceptance of the capitulations from Oslo. From Lübeck, John’s army pressed into the Duchy of Holstein, where he clashed against the army of Rantzau at the Battle of Oldenbüttel—where John received his true baptism of fire. “Rantzau had sought refuge near Oldenbüttel, hoping that he could set upon our forces and prevent us from pressing into Jutland…” wrote Francis Cosby, an English officer serving with King John home. “He expected that we would pass near Oldenbüttel at first light, giving him the advantage—he did not expect King John to offer up a feint, marching us through the night so that we might occupy more advantageous ground by morning.” The Battle of Oldenbüttel lasted only three hours, with King John leading the cavalry charge that shattered Rantzau’s army—and any hope for Christian III, who soon sought refuge at Gottorp Castle.

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Baptism of Christ, Pietro Perugino.

News of King John’s victory reached England in September to the jubilation of the court—an added happiness as Mary approached the end of her pregnancy. She had chosen to undertake her confinement at Greenwich, where she had been born. On October 7th, 1535, Mary gave birth—though not to the long-awaited prince that so many sought. “The queen has delivered a bonny princess,” Anne Parr wrote ecstatically in a letter home. “She is well, and so, thank God, is the babe—the little princess is to be named Mary… in honor of the queen as well as the late empress, who did not live to see this auspicious day. She is very pretty—with little brown eyes.” Though some within the council were concerned at the failure of the queen to deliver a son, others counseled patience—the queen was still young—and unlike her mother, seemed to have a knack for the childbed. Queen Mary had made it through her travail—and immediately after her birth began to resume the business of government, signing documents from her childbed. “You are the first Princess of England to be born in nearly forty years…” Mary reportedly cooed to her little daughter. “You are not a son—but just as well desired, for you shall always be mine. I shall be your dearest friend—and you mine.” Catherine of Aragon was in tears when she was finally allowed to hold her granddaughter—the hope of England and the royal house. “All that I have long labored for has come to fruition,” Catherine wrote in a letter to the emperor. “The queen has given birth—and the royal line is secure for the next generation if it is in God’s Grace.” Three days following the young princess’s birth, she was baptized at the Church of the Observant Friars—just as her mother had been, and just as Henry VIII had been. The young princesses’ godparents included Charles V, who was represented by the Earl of Essex and the Duke of Norfolk, as well as Catherine of Aragon and the Countess of Salisbury. The queen had commissioned a baptismal font, especially for the birth of her first child, in what became known as the Marian Font—made of solid gold and standing at nearly three feet tall, it depicted various elements from the Virgin Mary’s life, from the immaculate conception to her assumption.

While Mary labored in England, John labored in Denmark—having now placed Christian III under siege at Gottorp Castle. After leaving the siege in the hands of his German mercenaries under the command of Johan of East Frisia, John marched the bulk of his army further into Jutland to deal with the last holdouts of noble resistance who still supported Christian III—spearheaded by two of Christian III’s most vehement supporters, Niels Brock, and Holger Rosenkrantz. Near Varde, John promulgated the Ordinance of Varde in the name of his father, Christian II: “John—by the Grace of God, King of England, and Prince of Norway—do hereby declare in the name of our father, Christian II, King of Denmark and Norway—that we seek to end the disorder that has gripped the realm since our father’s exclusion. We declare that Denmark is a Catholic kingdom—and will continue to maintain its allegiance to the One, True, Roman Faith—and all such measures enacted since the reign of the usurper Frederik is null and void; attacks upon churches and monasteries must cease—and lands seized for secular purposes shall be returned to their original owners…” The ordinance outlined John’s attempts to restore the order of the former Catholic Church within Denmark—even as confusion still reigned throughout the kingdom. Christian III and Jutish nobility held out until May of 1536—not only did John succeed in dealing with troops raised by the nobles near Støvring, but Gottorp Castle fell after a siege, with Christian III, now styled merely as Duke Christian of Holstein taken hostage by Johan of East Frisia. Aside from the duke, his wife—Dorothea of Saxe-Lauenberg was also taken into custody—heavily pregnant, she suffered a miscarriage shortly after the castle was seized—depriving her husband of a possible child and heir[1], with the pair remaining childless. Duke Christian was soon moved to Nyborg Castle, where he would be held in close confinement. Further salt was poured upon the wound when Charles V declared that Duke Christian was subject to an Imperial Ban, rewarding his territories in Holstein to Christian II—restoring the whole of Holstein and Schleswig into the Danish Royal demesne since the time of Christian I.

[1]Compared to OTL, they’ve not managed to have a living child.
 
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It’s nice to see John coming into his own as a ruler, taking part in both English and Danish affairs. Christian II being restored is a really interesting outcome, for sure… On one hand, Denmark remaining Catholic is intriguing, but on the other hand, this is bound to complicate John’s position in England, given his status as Denmark’s heir. As one of the councilors put it, John was chosen as Mary’s husband because of his and Christian’s diminished state; now that his father is successfully restored, things will be trickier–even more so if the council’s fears come true and he keeps dragging England into Danish conflicts that has little to do with England’s interests. The compromise that the king would govern Norway through using Norwegians councilors is a great one, though; hopefully it won’t backfire. And it’ll be great to see how this ends up having an impact on the lives of Dorothea and Christina. Have either of them married yet ITTL? Since France is still in control of Milan, I figured that Christina’s Sforza match never occurred here, but I’m unsure.

I’m loving little Princess Mary! Great to see John and Queen Mary becoming parents, and Catherine being a grandmother. I love that line about Mary perhaps not being as excited about her pregnancy as one might expect, because she felt that everything would be different when she became a mother.. It felt very real and human to me. Even if she wasn’t actively loathing it, that feeling of such a large change approaching is always really powerful, and having slight reservations is understandable. I’m excited to see how John and Mary act as parents. Here’s hoping that Princess Mary stays in good health! 😊
 
Interesting choice giving all of Holstein to the Christian II, don't the Oldenburgs have a claim there? Though i guess since Christopher died, probably not as involved
 
Excellent! Good king Christian II is back in charge! Hopefully he and John can finish the old task and bring the Swedes back to the crown hehe
Christian III was soon forced to look for support from his northern neighbor—and Gustav Vasa aided by sending troops into Skåne. Swedish troops fought against forces under Christopher of Oldenburg at the Battle of Søbo—where Christopher was killed in battle, leading to the ravaging of Skåne by Swedish troops. Swedish troops would occupy Skåne until their ejection in 1537—and it was Christian III’s alliance with Gustav Vasa that Sweden’s interest in Skåne can be traced.
Plz God no.
On October 7th, 1535, Mary gave birth—though not to the long-awaited prince that so many sought. “The queen has delivered a bonny princess,” Anne Parr wrote ecstatically in a letter home. “She is well, and so, thank God, is the babe—the little princess is to be named Mary… in honor of the queen as well as the late empress, who did not live to see this auspicious day. She is very pretty—with little brown eyes.” Though some within the council were concerned at the failure of the queen to deliver a son, others counseled patience—the queen was still young—and unlike her mother, seemed to have a knack for the childbed.
Welcome to the world little Mary! Hopefully you will be followed by many siblings as healthy as you! What a dig at Catherine tho
Catherine of Aragon was in tears when she was finally allowed to hold her granddaughter—the hope of England and the royal house. “All that I have long labored for has come to fruition,” Catherine wrote in a letter to the emperor. “The queen has given birth—and the royal line is secure for the next generation if it is in God’s Grace.”
All of this <3 Cat got the happy ending she deserves
Interesting choice giving all of Holstein to the Christian II, don't the Oldenburgs have a claim there? Though i guess since Christopher died, probably not as involved
The Oldenburg branch of the royal does have a claim on it but it’s much weaker than the royal branch of the line. Hopefully, with all of the duchies under control, a solution to the headache can be found

A great chapter! Long live King Christian II and Princess Mary!
 
Was Christian III this incompetent IRL?

I wondered if Christian will attempt to resurrect the Kalmar Union. On the other hand, he might reconcile with the Swedes by marrying one of his sisters to Gustav.

Mary might think more of him when he returns to England a conqueror.
 
Congratulations to Her Majesty, praying Mary The Younger doesn't succumb to the tragedy of infant mortality. John meanwhile seems be a chip off the old block, leading a successful military campaign at just 17 or 18, I hope this is the start of a fruitful military career.
 
It’s nice to see John coming into his own as a ruler, taking part in both English and Danish affairs. Christian II being restored is a really interesting outcome, for sure… On one hand, Denmark remaining Catholic is intriguing, but on the other hand, this is bound to complicate John’s position in England, given his status as Denmark’s heir. As one of the councilors put it, John was chosen as Mary’s husband because of his and Christian’s diminished state; now that his father is successfully restored, things will be trickier–even more so if the council’s fears come true and he keeps dragging England into Danish conflicts that has little to do with England’s interests. The compromise that the king would govern Norway through using Norwegians councilors is a great one, though; hopefully it won’t backfire. And it’ll be great to see how this ends up having an impact on the lives of Dorothea and Christina. Have either of them married yet ITTL? Since France is still in control of Milan, I figured that Christina’s Sforza match never occurred here, but I’m unsure.

I’m loving little Princess Mary! Great to see John and Queen Mary becoming parents, and Catherine being a grandmother. I love that line about Mary perhaps not being as excited about her pregnancy as one might expect, because she felt that everything would be different when she became a mother.. It felt very real and human to me. Even if she wasn’t actively loathing it, that feeling of such a large change approaching is always really powerful, and having slight reservations is understandable. I’m excited to see how John and Mary act as parents. Here’s hoping that Princess Mary stays in good health! 😊
Thank you Mickey!! John is definitely coming into his own, for sure, and he's played a vital role in his father's readeption. This likely means his continued interest in Danish affairs, even while his father is alive, which Mary may well see as a benefit. John having to spend some time abroad means less ability for him to meddle in English affairs. Not so good for the English councilors who wanted him to be their king, but good for Mary who hasn't necessarily found much joy in co-ruling with her husband. Given the complex situation in Denmark and the need to deal with the Swedes in Scania, John may likely be delayed in returning to England until ~1537 or even 1538. All the better for Mary, though that will delay any further children... which isn't necessarily a good thing. Norway still will remain tied to Denmark, but will have a bit more autonomy. The statues that Christian II have been asked to accept are similar to those imposed upon Frederick in 1524; it's hard to say how they will function in reality, but it at least ensures Norway has some measure of autonomy and will continue to exist as a separate entity outside of Denmark. Danish nobles will likely still play a large role in the administration, since despite the statute they can become naturalized through marriage, and intermarriage between the Norwegian and Danish nobility was already incredibly common.

As for Dorothea and Christina... they're both still unmarried. The match with the Sforza never materialized here, since Francesco has basically languished in exile, and other suggestions such as James V were firmly rebuffed. Difficulties in their unsettled situation meant there would have been issues procuring a dowry for either princess, but their father's restoration means that their positions are vastly improved. They'll likely be returning to Copenhagen in due course, and will play a vital role in the foreign policy of their father and his attempt to rebuild relations there. If Gustav Vasa could be a potential husband to either daughter if he ends up widowed similar to OTL—his first wife died due to an accident when Christian III visited, which hasn’t happened here.

And yes, little Mary! I sorta was influenced by Victoria being a little upset when she discovered how quickly she was pregnant after getting married. Mary is definitely very happy with her daughter though—she understands completely how her mother felt about her now; and Catherine is overjoyed to be a grandmother!

Interesting choice giving all of Holstein to the Christian II, don't the Oldenburgs have a claim there? Though i guess since Christopher died, probably not as involved
As King of Danes said, it’s the royal line who had the superior claim! Holstein and Schleswig is a little complicated in this period. Following Christian I’s inheritance, the Holstein was split between his sons John and Frederick—with Frederick eventually becoming King, with his son Christian III succeeding him. Both John and Christian II held Schleswig and Holstein concurrent If I recall, it’s Christian III who partitioned the Duchy between him and his brothers, leading to the different distaff branches in Holstein. With Christian having one son, the Duchy will be able to pass unbroken to John, which is very good, since the Treaty of Ribe which stipulates that Schleswig and Holstein must remain undivided dates from 1460.

Excellent! Good king Christian II is back in charge! Hopefully he and John can finish the old task and bring the Swedes back to the crown hehe
Christian II and his heirs will maintain their claims to Sweden, but the primary focus will probably be on settling the discord in Denmark, most especially the confusion arising from the reign of Frederik where he took a middle ground in the religious question. There's also the question of the former domains of Christian III, where a Lutheran church order was introduced into Schleswig as well as Holstein in 1528. He's got a lot of work ahead of him to stabilize the situation.

Plz God no.
Unfortunately this happened IOTL. Blame Christian III for seeking out an alliance with Gustav! But Skåne remains in Danish hands still.

All of this <3 Cat got the happy ending she deserves
She absolutely did, and she most definitely deserves it! Hopefully she'll have plenty more grandchildren to meet, too!

Was Christian III this incompetent IRL?

I wondered if Christian will attempt to resurrect the Kalmar Union. On the other hand, he might reconcile with the Swedes by marrying one of his sisters to Gustav.

Mary might think more of him when he returns to England a conqueror.
If you're talking about his issues with Lübeck, yes: the Lutheran Wullenwever initially offered his support to Christian III, but Christian III refused him. And IOTL, he supported Christian II. The main reason for Christian's refusal was because of the Trade Treaties that Lübeck had made Frederik sign in ~1531-1532 after assisting with Christian II's revolt in Norway. Not only did the Hanseatic League receive economic and trading privileges in Denmark, but they also had to agree to exclude Dutch ships from the Sound, which had become the Hanseatic League's primary competition. Lübeck's impoverishment began in the 15th century, where Dutch ships began to trade directly with the Baltic through the Sound, rather than going to Lübeck and traveling overland to Hamburg, which gave the chance for Lübeck acquire considerable wealth through stacking laws, custom duties, and handling fees. The Dutch trade threatened that, but Christian III had little desire to turn Denmark into an economic satellite of the Hanseatic League.

Christian II in this situation maintains a claim to Sweden which will be inherited by his heirs, but given the troubled situation he's inherited in Denmark through his readeption, he will likely spend the remainder of the 1530s and the 1540s stabilizing the situation there: ensuring the kingdom once more is Catholic, reestablishing relations with the nobility, ect. Both of Christian II's daughters (Dorothea, Christina) are unmarried, and Dorothea especially could be a potential wife for Gustav Vasa if he were to be in the position to remarry, which would be a perfect way to reconcile the two kingdoms. Obviously Sweden's reformation continues apace, but Sweden's reformation went through several different phases, from Reform Catholicism to Lutheranism to attempts in the 1570s to find a middle road and even possibly restore the Catholic Church in Sweden. I think arguments could definitely be made for reconciliation / acceptance of Gustav vs. attempts to reconquer.

She most definitely might. And plus, her plan has paid off in a way: he may be required to spend more time abroad with his father's restoration, which means he is less able to meddle in English affairs... much to the chagrin of the English council who hoped to have a king to temper their queen.

Congratulations to Her Majesty, praying Mary The Younger doesn't succumb to the tragedy of infant mortality. John meanwhile seems be a chip off the old block, leading a successful military campaign at just 17 or 18, I hope this is the start of a fruitful military career.
Mary The Younger definitely has a long and fruitful life ahead of her, and I think John has a great career ahead of him, too!
 
The characters of young Mary and John are certainly interesting--it seems already Mary is a kind of fusion of a Catholic Elizabeth I and Victoria--the latter being her fertility and one might speculate, just perhaps a degree of fascination with her lawful wedded husband comparable to Victoria's adoration of Albert, and perhaps she will prove as fertile as Victoria. An interesting curve ball would be if she fails to ever birth a son but has lots of daughters--of course genetically speaking this would be explained only either by very improbable luck (conventionally, given the expectation she finally does produce a proper King to inherit, bad luck, though it might develop as for the best actually) or John failing to father a son due to a quirk in his sperm.

Meanwhile, it seems we are diverging away by implication from the Mary-Hearts-John SQUEEE! scenario with the subtext of Mary favoring John going away for a long long time...but perhaps there is still time and space for something a bit closer than an ongoing rivalry between the two co-monarchs after all. Evidently Mary is on a territorial defensive (and understandably so to be sure) at this early date....

But suppose in fact the two of them come to both realize, they are different people with different perspectives, different strengths, different leverages on the machinery of alt-Tudor court politics and policy in their expanding realms--but in fact they come to notice, when she pulls at her most apt levers and he pushes at his own different angles, the two of them together can manage the realm(s) very effectively. And interests that appear to be in conflict might actually have ways of working out compromises with synergies that benefit both sides.

Perhaps indeed they observe that different factions vying for influence favoring peculiar interests are scheming to set them at odds, some aiming to tip the balance one way or the other to nullify one monarch and capture the other as their figurehead, others just plain too egotistic and narrow focused to care about a big picture or whatever damage they might do to the realm as a whole. And then, having actually been at odds to a degree while maintaining a fairly civil looking facade of concordance in early years--they cotton on to a game of royal soap opera theatre where, colluding with each other in fact, to a degree orchestrated by frank but very private communications of conscious intent, to a degree improvising their adopted roles as Punch Versus Judy for a titillating dramatic spectacle, they mime a royal marriage in brutal tension and conflict with spectacular catfights galore--but in truth, the drama will always resolve with the two of them suddenly pulling together and making up (another princess, hoped to be a prince, on her way well within a year thereafter) leaving the more egregiously unpatriotic and short-sighted court players out on a limb of untenable political position, to be chastised to some degree or other--some learning their lesson and coming to realize there is no getting around the two of them put together and they'd better start figuring out the larger vision the two monarchs are actually working toward so as to not be left out of the parade. And every now and then--heads roll. But the evolving consensus over the decades is, the Queen and King actually know what they are about, and it is generally a win-win for all reasonable sides getting some gains they want and others they did not expect. And everyone is very very entertained watching the spectacle. Their enemies are outmaneuvered and off balance, never knowing just what curve balls will come their way.

In a context like this--how good are the chances that the temporary personal union of Denmark and the English crown, which already has a spare kingdom (Ireland) tucked under its arm, might over the next century fuse into a permanent thing (and of course even without Sweden at all, the Danish crown also has a sidekick Kingdom of Norway to bring to the party too, with Sweden a temptation that might be either followed through on, or abandoned)?

Before the chapter outlining John's campaign putting Christian II back on the federated thrones of Denmark and Norway, I wondered at the possible outcome of the Catholic/Imperial cause faltering and failing in Denmark itself, but with Norway coming firmly into Christian II's hands, and a permanent separation of the two Atlantic facing Scandinavian kingdoms but with Norway increasingly knit into the English orbit.

In terms of future expansion into the New World, attaching all Norway's claims to the English crown (via a separate personal union Norwegian crown of course) would at a stroke give the combination nominal ownership of the entire north Atlantic--not just Norway itself but also Iceland, claims on Greenland, the other small islands of the North Sea region, and via both Cabot's expedition under Henry VII and perhaps blowing the dust off ancient Icelandic accounts of Vinland, a dual claim on Newfoundland too. To stop their American claims there would leave the realm pretty limited to a frozen sideshow to be sure, but if one can back up the claim to Newfoundland with effective force to hold it in practice, then the Labrador coast and Nova Scotia (not named that probably here, though maybe...) are close to hand, and pretty soon they can sew up the mouth of the Saint Lawrence completely and proceed to expand their claims inland by that route to the Great Lakes and the entire north of the Mississippi system, not to mention all the lands to the north of that. In addition with a fairly large naval presence they can pretty well dominate the north Atlantic route westward and bid fair for superiority and perhaps supremacy over the eastward return route of the Gulf Stream, which suits ships returning to either Britain or Norway quite well.

Also, I have to wonder whether the settlement of Newfoundland and Nova Scotia might have more spectacular results than its marginal outcomes OTL if the core of the settlers there come very largely from Iceland and northern Norway. To these people, even Newfoundland might seem quite a Vanaheim of pleasant prospect, and radiating out from there--Labrador has little attraction but would seem less severe to North Atlantic Scandinavians than south Britons, the Maritimes and New England south of the Maine-New Brunswick (OTL name not carried over here of course) hills downright a Paradise, while working their way via missionaries and traders to the Lakes, the prospects for settlers from England and Ireland would be attractive too. Of course, if they have moderately decent relations with the various Native peoples then political obligation of the joint monarchy would be to honor pledges they have given in early days--offset to a degree by the Native population being decimated by disease, but if the dynasty is at least middling honest with those surviving Native groups that have honored their side of the early treaties, they can't just be brushed aside either. Most likely, early Catholic missionary work would bring the majority of Native people at least nominally into the Catholic fold, so they'd have the Church as another channel of advocacy for them as well. Eventually the declining Native population would bottom out, the most severe collapse happening to those Native peoples who don't accept terms or break them, and a portion of the loyalist Native population will intermarry and acculturate, but perhaps only gradually and partially, with synergy with various parcels of Scandinavian and British (that is, English and Irish, and perhaps a distinct Welsh identity persisting despite the recent in TL (and parallel in OTL) tightening of legal and linguistic union of England we've already seen. After all the last known native Cornish-Welsh speaking person died in the mid-18th Century OTL, so I imagine the eclipse of Welsh/Cymru as such is only partial and there might be a rebound.

Anyway the TL has already decisively turned toward Denmark falling into line under the Northern Most Pious duarchy as is. Holding Denmark long term might be costly indeed, but I would think opportunity exists, and perhaps opportunities that would be overlooked if either Mary or John ruled alone, but discovered in the course of pillow fights between the two of them (metaphorically speaking, if there are actual pillows involved it would be after the serendipitous resolutions have been thought out and agreed to, between them anyway) for harmonizing the interests of both a majority of Danish and English interests, to the mutual profit of both. Meanwhile Norway has got some leverage to remain a distinct if junior partner, as may Ireland.

This leaves Scotland largely surrounded, and if Mary and John's ties to the Empire hold good, the Lowlands are under the thumb of the broader alliance too. It is still open to question whether the northern Netherlands might still lean Protestant and secede, but without either England or strong Protestant realms in northern Germany and Denmark ready to hand, perhaps the Dutch will think twice about it and focus on negotiating something acceptable to themselves under ongoing Hapsburg rule and nominal Catholic dominance. So Scotland, if the Scots are determined to remain independent of a Greater Britain-North Sea-West Baltic empire, are in some trouble and only the Auld Alliance with France would give such a go-it-mostly-alone Scottish camp any hope at all.

But suppose a suitable combination of thought-out carrots and sticks exists to persuade a suitably large number of Scots of various subethnicities that their interests lie in being inside the united British tent?

Here's where Mary (or honestly, John) failing to produce a son might come in very handy indeed. Someone would have to examine the family trees to check on how close an inbreeding this might be, but if the Scottish monarchy produces a son of suitable character and age to wed the young woman the now-baby Mary will grow into (and I trust in some fashion, Mary II will keep her childbed promise to her firstborn daughter, and Mary III will in some fashion or other keep faith and pull her own weight and more in such an alliance) then the circle of disparity of power between Scotland and England might be squared with the Scots claiming the dignity of providing the King, much as OTL, but here with even higher stakes as the distaff side of the alliance provides a ready-made semi-absolutist, semi-Parliamentary machinery of governance for an empire now comprising the entire British Isles all the way to the North Pole, essentially, and by then American ventures might also be well under way and with frontiers of mission-trade contacts reaching to the northern Rockies and beyond perhaps all the way to the Pacific via the Columbia and/or Puget Sound--well north of contact with actual Spanish activity if not necessarily without conflict in paper claims.

If this alliance can thus persist into the 17th century, it might well consolidate into a truly united kingdom, even if the various national core realms retain distinct parliaments and judicial traditions. Surely then it would be increasingly the case that subjects of one realm would be pretty free to settle in districts, in Europe and the New World, claimed as part of another kingdom. Perhaps there is no move to unify the various parliaments/things etc, and maybe a move toward equalizing the legal status of each kingdom, Norway's attachment to Denmark, and Ireland's to England, dissolving in favor of a nominal equality of five (or more, if further devolutions continue, and Wales emerges as distinct from England, Scania if still held as distinct from Denmark, possibly Norway splitting into a north centered on Trondheim and south on Christiana/Oslo, maybe another division centered on Bergen, and one or more new realms being formed out of New World holdings too) kingdoms each with their own local rule, but coordinated by the monarch acting as clearinghouse and adjudicator, perhaps forming a united navy drawn from all kingdoms and with the distinct armies of each accustomed to coordination on the various battlefields to be effectively fused into one operationally if not on paper.

Such a hegemonic sprawl of personal union claims probably will create opposition on the Continent of course--France is the obvious nemesis, but perhaps interests will increasingly clash with the Empire despite Mary and John's current close ties with both the Emperor and Spain.

I would think though that if John and Mary are astute enough, they can cement a suitable ruling coalition of interests in Denmark that also harmonizes with their cultivated constellation of ascendant English, and maybe someday Scottish, interests as well, to sustain the union even in adversity.

The major adversity I would foresee of course being the Auld Alliance threatening to hold between Scotland and France in the short run, and running into various local buzzsaws of opposition in the Baltic. Surely there will be some distraction involving the desire to subordinate (and from a Catholic POV, root out heresy in) Sweden again--my guess is that Sweden has already gone too far in the direction of independence from Kalmar Union and Protestantism alike, such that any conquests the Danes with however much English (hence also a bit of Irish) help they get, might make would be undermined by dissidence and guerilla resistance. If indeed they can break Swedish royal power under the Vasas, the Catholic Monarchy of the Atlantic union might prevail, over a broken and sullen Sweden, but there are other actors in the eastern Baltic, some Catholic, some Protestant even here, and of course the Orthodox Russians, who might give an anti-Danish coalition a lot of help to the point that eastern ventures might prove to be a costly rabbit hole to pour armies, fleets and treasure down for little gain beyond a certain point anyway. The French of course are going to want to stick their oar in too, and perhaps if the Anglo-Danish ascendancy does very well overall, the Hapsburgs might willy nilly wind up turning on their former protege allies in desperate alliance with the French.

If conflict with the Empire itself can be postponed or avoided completely then despite the obstructionism of Spain stubbornly trying to uphold the Treaty of Tordesillas and demanding the Norwegian part of the combined crowns back out of America, overall if some terms can be reached the real opportunity for expanding New World based wealth open to the northern personal union coalition would be to "service" as it were Spanish plantation holdings in the Caribbean and South America. OTL British fortunes rose spectacularly by a more violent course of annexing Carribean islands and going into slave worked plantations big time, and acquiring a monopoly on intra-colonial trade within the Spanish empire of the Indies and carrying between those and Spain itself was another major coup for British supremacy overseas. If the Spanish however are in a better position to consolidate and somewhat rationalize their hold on their effective claims, perhaps a reconciliation conceding the colder north to the Catholic north seas empire can emerge, and then if the Caribbean plantation system develops but under long sustained Spanish control, the northerners might still have a stake in it, as major suppliers of staple foods for the slaves to eat and junior partners in the nominally Spanish holdings--Spain still reaping the majority of profits and thus remaining quite strong and getting stronger to be sure. Of course that would also indicate a better rationalized system of Spanish rule in the western hemisphere, but that would of course be a possibility though hardly certain. Beyond that, good relations with both Spain and Portugal could similarly allow British and Dano-Norwegian traders outlets into the Indian Ocean and to the Pacific around Africa--and if the Spanish or Portuguese don't preempt them possible settlement of the southern tip of Africa as well. The Portuguese for instance suffer from limited manpower; if they can trust Anglo-Scandinavian allies at all under some umbrella Company nominally under Portugal, they can get help sustaining their established holds in Nusantara and in strategic points on the east African and Indian coasts, and sooner or later notice Australia right there while continuing to look for opportunities to trade directly with China, Japan and Korea.

Obviously a lot depends on how much further the Reformation proceeds. I think OTL demonstrates there was a lot of discontent and frustrated interests that can only maintain an overall Catholic supremacy via the Catholic Church reforming to a quite significant degree beyond the OTL Counterreformation. On this front Iberian fanaticism and Italian status quo conservatism might prove to be too large obstacles for reforms capable of placating the north perhaps. But there is still scope I think for keeping the overarching claims of the Papacy at least nominally supreme.

I'd think that if Scotland avoids a complete rupture under Calvinism and remains nominally Catholic, it would be via Scottish kingdom reforms tending a bit toward OTL Calvinism, and perhaps that would fall between stools, insufficiently improved to mollify OTL Protestants, yet too radical for either Iberian or Italian establishments to trust--if France winds up going strongly Huguenot or some other form of Protestant, the polarization resulting might favor a suitable compromise and de facto variation of rites between north and south of Europe, but it seems plain at this time the French kings understand already that their interests demand at least nominal fidelity to Rome, certainly if they intend to remain supreme in northern Italy with designs on the south too. I've already alluded to the worse prospects than OTL for Protestant supremacy in the Low Countries and north Germany, but already and still in the ATL, there are some bastions of heterodoxy there, in Brandenburg, Sweden, and perhaps Poland switching over is not out of bounds too.

The sunniest prospect I can foresee for this super-north coalition of personally unified realms I have been speculating on would be if Scottish reforms are tied up with pro-union interests there, and the combined northern realms all wind up welcoming aspects of it once a Scottish consort for Mary III takes the throne, with this Anglo-Danish reformed Catholicism remaining orthodox enough for continental Germans and Italians but also acceptable to the people who provided the backbone of Dutch Protestantism OTL. An overarching Catholic hierarchy, united at least whenever there is no Papal schism, could be the nucleus of a diplomatic European concert probably not at all evading actual warfare between rival Catholic factions but anyway mediating rules of engagement that limit the damage to civil prosperity and trade, and perhaps providing some moral guidance to colonial affairs in the Americas (being for instance advocates for Native American principalities that keep faith with their European patrons, and assisting in negotiations with Old World regional powers in places like India and China, and perhaps even reining in excesses of brutality in Africa and the plantation colonies.

Mind, I expect European hegemony will overall be pretty brutal, pretty chauvinistic, and about as overall disruptive and destructive to non-European institutions as OTL. That's just inherent in Europe remaining fundamentally proto-capitalistic, and any ATL regime differences that rein in capitalism across the board will tend to shift ascendency in power to whichever realms are most indulgent of such interests--so in practice, a Europe that emerges with a strong international layer of negotiated concord will probably still strongly favor the rising bourgeois interests, albeit perhaps with notable restraint versus OTL, but with accumulation of wealth from expanding world empire and compounding European industry proceeding apace--and any reduction in the power of some variables if the ruthlessness of OTL is somewhat mitigated might be offset by reduction in overall losses due to devastating war that lead to an overall push and technology and society changing on an accelerating basis much like OTL.

I suppose it is also possible, though not very likely considering the depth of various European factional splits, that a hegemony might inadvertently strangle budding capitalism at the roots, in favor of patronage-overseen crony trade and industry under stronger guild organization resisting the transition to wholesale wage-labor with owners of enterprises free to hire and fire as they please. For what it is worth, this is the flip side of my personal understanding of how Europe did achieve world supremacy as of say 1900--with competing states paying increasingly lip service if not formally abjuring much of the welfarism of the absolutist periods, the feedback of competing capitalist enterprises fostering rapid innovation and adoption of changing industrial practices against the immediate interests of working people (whatever view we take on just how good this might have been for even the poorest in the longer run; it certainly wasn't evident at the time it would work out that way and arguably the price paid is so high that all the obvious material gains are really a poor bargain in the longer run still) any that dragged their feet for any reason tended to be ground under and swept away, and the military and economic power developed in this violent hothouse left even the best run and most prosperous overseas regimes in a fatally vulnerable position despite all their advantages. What might conceivably kill capitalism in Europe is what I conceive did arrest it in the older and initially more developed zones of the Old World, in the Middle East, India and China for instance--there, strong governments had a tendency to move to stabilize social relations and this hamstrung the ability to rapidly adapt production methods to more efficient forms. I believe a very strong single regime in Europe would make similar moves, perhaps anyway (and only "perhaps" because of centuries of pre-adaption to proto-capitalist conditions as normal, clearly this was limited given OTL absolutist moves to provide some form of riot-averting welfarism, in Tudor and especially Elizabethan England as well as in Valois and Bourbon France) and that might rein in industrial development enough to keep the European intruders on a closer par to the capabilities of the stronger non-European gunpowder empires.

Honestly even if the Hapsburgs for instance were to somehow overawe or incorporate all possible rivals, in France, Britain and the north alike, I think at this point the capitalist genie is out of the bottle and perhaps somewhat slower than OTL the broad arch of major events would be quite parallel leading to similar ends, on a global scale. Given the strong divisions still in place here, the Hapsburgs have a shot at remaining very strong for some time to come and in places they lost control of OTL, but the competitive division of much of Europe into warring camps remains if somewhat shuffled versus OTL, united Church or not, and we can expect technology and mass production to develop on roughly OTL schedule. There is elbow room for some substantial deviations from OTL detailed outcomes, but overall the Americas and eventually Indian Ocean, east Asian, and eventually African regions seem pretty sure to wind up integrated into a strongly Eurocentric world system by 1900 even so.
 
I think King Alexander is more likely to have only girls, seeing as he is not into women, and thus likely to have few children. That would also lead to a probable North Sea personal union.
 
Definitely some interesting stuff, Shevek!

I think at this point it's entirely too early to consider how any possible union between England and Denmark-Norway plays out; as they'll remain separate realms and will likely not 'unite' until John comes into his Danish inheritance. The conditions with Norway also means that Norway will maintain a degree of autonomy from Denmark, as well, I'd say Denmark-Norway are more 'confederal' than federal at this point. The earliest possible union will be in the 1550s at the earliest.

I'll be honest though: I think any revival of the north sea empire in the 16th century is likely to only exist for a limited time frame, if at all. If John and Mary have multiple sons, then it's likely their second son will receive Denmark-Norway as his inheritance, if only because that is probably what the elites in both countries would prefer. I doubt the Danes or Norwegians have much interest in having an absentee king, while the English, a notoriously xenophobic lot, will have little interest in sharing their king. The union of John and Mary was arranged so that John might aid Mary; him going and restoring his father and getting involved in business in Denmark and Norway completely defeats the purpose of that. If Mary fails to have any sons at all, that will complicates issues even more. Denmark doesn't seem to have a regulated succession law in that women were explicitly barred from the throne, as Christian II's daughters were seen as having rights to Denmark, Norway, and Sweden following the death of John IOTL, but if they were considered to be eligible to succeed themselves, or merely transmit their rights to their husband remains to be seen. I know that Dorothea's OTL marriage to Frederick of the Palatinate was negotiated because he was seen as a potential king; Norway was theoretically an elective monarchy post-1450, but was to share the same king with Denmark in perpetuity. There's also the Duchies of Schleswig and Holstein: per the Treaty of Ribe, they are to be undivided for 'all time.' while Schleswig is a Danish fief, Holstein is a fief of the Holy Roman Empire, and follows Salic Law, where women are excluded. While perhaps Mary's daughter could be recognized as queen of Denmark and Norway, it would be difficult, and it remains to be seen if the two kingdoms would have much interest in electing a woman who's been reared and raised in England and will likely reign from there.

That's the unfortunate side effect of the 16th people: they can often drop down and die. The quickest way towards maintaining the union would be John and Mary having just a single son.

Mary and John definitely have a complicated relationship. It isn't true love; she certainly resents him in a mixture of ways (his youth, the way he seen as an adult when he's still a young man, while she's viewed as a silly girl even as a grown woman; having to share her throne and authority with him) but is fond of him, too. I can absolutely see their union working out to their benefit: him being heir to Denmark and dealing with issues there will also give him time outside of the country and give her a chance to reign unimpeded. There's certainly growing pains to their relationship, that's for sure.

RE: Sweden; I think, too, that reintegrating Sweden into a revived Kalmar Union is likely... very slim. Sweden always fought against the shackles of the union, and I really don't see things being different here, when you're going to be throwing differences of religion into the mix. Sweden's reformation only kicked into high gear post-1536, when canon law was abolished; but the reformation went through different phases, when King John, married to a Catholic princess, attempted to introduce Catholic rituals and keep a middle ground between Protestantism and Catholicism. So, the Protestant faith isn't concrete in Sweden, but I think their desire for independence likely is. Denmark's best chance of fixing relations with Sweden is for Christian II to offer up one of his daughters (perhaps the oldest) to Gustav Vasa if he loses his first wife. There's a real possibility there for Dorothea to be Queen of Sweden and give birth to the heir of Sweden, who would have the blood of the Swedish and Dano-Norwegian royal houses; his aunt and uncle would be the King and Queen of England. I won't say it's impossible, though. As late as 1560, Frederick II was seeking to lay claim to Sweden.

As for economic systems: yes, you're still likely to see the development of economies based on profit, most especially trade and from extraction as more countries get involved in the colonization game. Right now it's Portugal and Spain, but France will begin showing interest (though their focus remains on Italy...) and England likely will too; not discounting the emperor's based out of the Low Countries, who will lose access to Spanish wealth when Ferdinand succeeds Charles V and might seek out their own colonies. One interesting development will likely be in England; while some monasteries have been dissolved, mostly failing ones, nothing like the OTL dissolution has played out. This means that the Catholic Church maintains some 25% of England's land: land that IOTL passed to the nobility, who proceeded to enclose it and profit from it.

I think King Alexander is more likely to have only girls, seeing as he is not into women, and thus likely to have few children. That would also lead to a probable North Sea personal union.
Eh, I'd be wary of going that route. It's possible, but he also has his duties as king to consider, even if he hasn't slept with his wife yet. James VI and Anne of Denmark had seven children; Philippe, the Duc d'Orléans, despite his blatant homosexuality, knocked his first wife up eight times, while his second wife had three pregnancies. He may very well decide to close his eyes, think of Scotland, and help create a whole new generation of Scottish princes.

If Hungary remains a Turkish vassal I could see it going Protestant.
Considering the help that Catholic Europe has offered to John Zápolya (which to say... none) and his Turkish alliances, Hungary going Protestant is extremely likely. There's also the Bohemian Branch of the Jagiellons, with Mary of Austria and Little Elizabeth... Mary has been corresponding with Martin Luther, and she now reigns as regent in the lands of the Hussites.
 
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Definitely some interesting stuff, Shevek!

I think at this point it's entirely too early to consider how any possible union between England and Denmark-Norway plays out; as they'll remain separate realms and will likely not 'unite' until John comes into his Danish inheritance. The conditions with Norway also means that Norway will maintain a degree of autonomy from Denmark, as well, I'd say Denmark-Norway are more 'confederal' than federal at this point. The earliest possible union will be in the 1550s at the earliest.

I'll be honest though: I think any revival of the north sea empire in the 16th century is likely to only exist for a limited time frame, if at all. If John and Mary have multiple sons, then it's likely their second son will receive Denmark-Norway as his inheritance, if only because that is probably what the elites in both countries would prefer. I doubt the Danes or Norwegians have much interest in having an absentee king, while the English, a notoriously xenophobic lot, will have little interest in sharing their king. The union of John and Mary was arranged so that John might aid Mary; him going and restoring his father and getting involved in business in Denmark and Norway completely defeats the purpose of that. If Mary fails to have any sons at all, that will complicates issues even more. Denmark doesn't seem to have a regulated succession law in that women were explicitly barred from the throne, as Christian II's daughters were seen as having rights to Denmark, Norway, and Sweden following the death of John IOTL, but if they were considered to be eligible to succeed themselves, or merely transmit their rights to their husband remains to be seen. I know that Dorothea's OTL marriage to Frederick of the Palatinate was negotiated because he was seen as a potential king; Norway was theoretically an elective monarchy post-1450, but was to share the same king with Denmark in perpetuity. There's also the Duchies of Schleswig and Holstein: per the Treaty of Ribe, they are to be undivided for 'all time.' while Schleswig is a Danish fief, Holstein is a fief of the Holy Roman Empire, and follows Salic Law, where women are excluded. While perhaps Mary's daughter could be recognized as queen of Denmark and Norway, it would be difficult, and it remains to be seen if the two kingdoms would have much interest in electing a woman who's been reared and raised in England and will likely reign from there.

That's the unfortunate side effect of the 16th people: they can often drop down and die. The quickest way towards maintaining the union would be John and Mary having just a single son.

Mary and John definitely have a complication relationship. It isn't true love; she certainly resents him in a mixture of ways (his youth, the way he seen as an adult when he's still a young man, while she's viewed as a silly girl even as a grown woman; having to share her throne and authority with him) but is fond of him, too. I can absolutely see their union working out to their benefit: him being heir to Denmark and dealing with issues there will also give him time outside of the country and give her a chance to reign unimpeded. There's certainly growing pains to their relationship, that's for sure.

RE: Sweden; I think, too, that reintegrating Sweden into a revived Kalmar Union is likely... very slim. Sweden always fought against the shackles of the union, and I really don't see things being different here, when you're going to be throwing differences of religion into the mix. Sweden's reformation only kicked into high gear post-1536, when canon law was abolished; but the reformation went through different phases, when King John, married to a Catholic princess, attempted to introduce Catholic rituals and keep a middle ground between Protestantism and Catholicism. So, the Protestant faith isn't concrete in Sweden, but I think their desire for independence likely is. Denmark's best chance of fixing relations with Sweden is for Christian II to offer up one of his daughters (perhaps the oldest) to Gustav Vasa if he loses his first wife. There's a real possibility there for Dorothea to be Queen of Sweden and give birth to the heir of Sweden, who would have the blood of the Swedish and Dano-Norwegian royal houses; his aunt and uncle would be the King and Queen of England. I won't say it's impossible, though. As late as 1560, Frederick II was seeking to lay claim to Sweden.

As for economic systems: yes, you're still likely to see the development of economies based on profit, most especially trade and from extraction as more countries get involved in the colonization game. Right now it's Portugal and Spain, but France will begin showing interest (though their focus remains on Italy...) and England likely will too; not discounting the emperor's based out of the Low Countries, who will lose access to Spanish wealth when Ferdinand succeeds Charles V and might seek out their own colonies. One interesting development will likely be in England; while some monasteries have been dissolved, mostly failing ones, nothing like the OTL dissolution has played out. This means that the Catholic Church maintains some 25% of England's land: land that IOTL passed to the nobility, who proceeded to enclose it and profit from it.


Eh, I'd be wary of going that route. It's possible, but he also has his duties as king to consider, even if he hasn't slept with his wife yet. James VI and Anne of Denmark had seven children; Philippe, the Duc d'Orléans, despite his blatant homosexuality, knocked his first wife up eight times, while his second wife had three pregnancies. He may very well decide to close his eyes, think of Scotland, and help create a whole new generation of Scottish princes.


Considering the help that Catholic Europe has offered to John Zápolya (which to say... none) and his Turkish alliances, Hungary going Protestant is extremely likely. There's also the Bohemian Branch of the Jagiellons, with Mary of Austria and Little Elizabeth... Mary has been corresponding with Martin Luther, and she now reigns as regent in the lands of the Hussites.
Ooh Mary of Austria going more fully Protestant than OTL would be fascinating! I'm game!
 
RE: Sweden; I think, too, that reintegrating Sweden into a revived Kalmar Union is likely... very slim. Sweden always fought against the shackles of the union, and I really don't see things being different here, when you're going to be throwing differences of religion into the mix. Sweden's reformation only kicked into high gear post-1536, when canon law was abolished; but the reformation went through different phases, when King John, married to a Catholic princess, attempted to introduce Catholic rituals and keep a middle ground between Protestantism and Catholicism. So, the Protestant faith isn't concrete in Sweden, but I think their desire for independence likely is. Denmark's best chance of fixing relations with Sweden is for Christian II to offer up one of his daughters (perhaps the oldest) to Gustav Vasa if he loses his first wife. There's a real possibility there for Dorothea to be Queen of Sweden and give birth to the heir of Sweden, who would have the blood of the Swedish and Dano-Norwegian royal houses; his aunt and uncle would be the King and Queen of England. I won't say it's impossible, though. As late as 1560, Frederick II was seeking to lay claim to Sweden.
Hmmm, actually Gustav Vasa might (might!) have made it a bit easier for Denmark to control Sweden once it has been reconquered. He streamlined the government of Sweden and got rid of much of the regional power that the various provinces had. However, these reforms also led to push back from the Swedes during the Dacke war, which also pushed back on the reformation in Sweden. It might be possible for Catholic Christian II and King John II to swoop in with Catholic promises and convince the Swedish citizens to turn back to Denmark? IIRC Christian was liked by the citizenry and it was mainly the nobility who detested him. If Christian and John manage to retake Sweden, they can roll back on the religious reforms and perhaps ease the tax burden (taxes were raised to pay for the Swedish war of independence!), and that could hopefully be enough to please the Swedish peasantry and citizens. Furthermore, this was before the Swedish military reforms set in and made Sweden the military powerhouse of the 17th century, so Denmark-Norway might arguably still have been stronger AND they can perhaps get support from England (I mean, in for a penny, in for a pound?) - Besides, they might grant England some trade benefits in return. With English support, and a more centralized Sweden, the Kalmar Union could perhaps easier bludgeon what resistance to the union exists in the Swedish nobility until it’s a lost cause and the union is accepted amongst Sweden. The hate for Denmark and Christian II among the non-nobility in Sweden is a bit overrated I think, but should it be needed, one could always kill off Christian. @Milites What are your thoughts?
 
Hmmm, actually Gustav Vasa might (might!) have made it a bit easier for Denmark to control Sweden once it has been reconquered. He streamlined the government of Sweden and got rid of much of the regional power that the various provinces had. However, these reforms also led to push back from the Swedes during the Dacke war, which also pushed back on the reformation in Sweden. It might be possible for Catholic Christian II and King John II to swoop in with Catholic promises and convince the Swedish citizens to turn back to Denmark? IIRC Christian was liked by the citizenry and it was mainly the nobility who detested him. If Christian and John manage to retake Sweden, they can roll back on the religious reforms and perhaps ease the tax burden (taxes were raised to pay for the Swedish war of independence!), and that could hopefully be enough to please the Swedish peasantry and citizens. Furthermore, this was before the Swedish military reforms set in and made Sweden the military powerhouse of the 17th century, so Denmark-Norway might arguably still have been stronger AND they can perhaps get support from England (I mean, in for a penny, in for a pound?) - Besides, they might grant England some trade benefits in return. With English support, and a more centralized Sweden, the Kalmar Union could perhaps easier bludgeon what resistance to the union exists in the Swedish nobility until it’s a lost cause and the union is accepted amongst Sweden. The hate for Denmark and Christian II among the non-nobility in Sweden is a bit overrated I think, but should it be needed, one could always kill off Christian. @Milites What are your thoughts?
That’s definitely pretty interesting! The breaking of regional powers would definitely be of benefit, but I still think the Danes would likely need some buy in from some sector of the nobility as well, since they would likely play a role in the political affairs of the kingdom. There definitely seem to be ways to bring about a restoration of the Union, but it’s still unlikely to happen anytime soon, as Christian II will have to stabilize his rule in Denmark, deal with the Jutish nobility as well as the religious questions. He’s not in any position to start any foreign expeditions.

England can certainly offer assistance, but I’m not sure if they’ll want to be the Danish monarchy’s piggy bank in the long term. It’ll only be a reminder of what John’s role was originally supposed to be and what it’s changed into—and further the belief that England’s resources are being wasted abroad. I don’t think any sort of trade treaty would be enough to make the English think it’s beneficial.
 
It may pull England into more Northern European and central European conflicts should England and a union of crowns in Scandinavia occur

You have the Wars of religion and the possibility of Russian expansion happening in the future
 
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